Broadchurch thread 2- the one where everyone in MNPD requests a transfer to the traffic division

[EauRouge]

Thread number one.

So are we all still watching, despite the mumbling, bad writing and inaccuracies?

I'm not sure what ClaireGwen is up to, but they've written her to like kinky sex which in telly land means she's a bad un.

Last night's highlight for me was DH's genuine confusion over whether subtitles were for the hearing impaired or vision impaired (he may have had a couple of beers). Also sweaty Lee hammering in fence posts.

Has that junior solicitor fella been in something on CBBC?

When does The Missing season 2 start?

That's a great theory coconutty. Except for the fact that Joe did it.

Holly - can't remember what Lee said at the beach - was it the bit where she said she'll have to keep his secret, and he said similar ie they both have dirt on the other?

DT wanted Claire in court because she was about to do a runner, and he wanted to keep an eye on her but needed tongi into court for the verdict on Joe.

Joe definitely did it. Both in the first series, and in the book, it is absolutely clear that he did it. He didn't like that he was attracted to Danny, but it was clear that he was wanting more than the hugs he had been satisfied with until that point.
In the book, it was also made clear that the reason why Ellie was so pissed of with her sister (tha time, obv a long running issue) was she thought she had pinched the children's holiday money - this was, in fact the £500 that Joe gave Danny. He was feeling guilty for that all the way through too (although justifying it).

There is no scope for it to plausibly be someone else. Although with the heavy emphasis from the vicar on 'you are guilty' I am half expecting history to be rewritten, so that everyone can be left reeling at how easily they presumed guilt of a former Good Egg . Hasn't the writer said this series will end on a massive cliffhanger? Please, please don't let it be that Joe isn't guilty.

I think that Joe did do it but the flashback doesn't have to be 'real'. He could have been picturing how it could have happened as he spun his story. Everyone in the show is an unreliable narrator, you really can't trust anyone.

Hardy thought he had caught Lee in a lie because he said that Thorpe incineration or whatever they were was connected with Pippa's mum - but it's not. He said what he said to cover recognizing the name. The only way (Hardy thinks) that Lee could have known about Thorpe thingy was through Lisa. But that's not necessarily true, if Thorpe Jr. was following Lisa he might have encountered any of the people she was entwined with - so, Lee, the dad, Claire...so they all might have known his name and his business. We also know that the dad knew the business, and he and Lee used to play in the bluebells (or one of them imagined that they did) so that's a link too possibly. Thorpe Jr. might have been in hospital the night the girls disappeared because he witnessed something and tried to top himself immediately afterwards - Hardy didn't actually check times.

I think the most important thing though is then iprovements in pacemaker treatment. Just a few days after having a pacemaker inserted, Hardy was able to yomp over the golden cap (Miller didn't drive him). That's a fair walk, that is.

Thanks Panda. It was just at the end of that conversation. I replayed it over and over and couldn't catch it.
I presume Lisa is in France.
Why did Clare not resist when DT manhandled her into the court. She's feisty enough.
Whose baby did she abort ?

I reckon hardy's ex wife will get herself down to Wessex crown court NOW and on arrival she'll see someone /thing and it will be a major link in both cases ... For some reason I need them to be linked and I'm clinging on to my red diesel hunch.

I need next week's episode to tie up:

Why was Danny having an argument with the postman outside Jocelyn's house?

Why is the red diesel significant?

What as on Tom's laptop and why did he hate Danny?

Where was the vicar on the night of the murder?

I don't really care about Sandbrook.

Claire is implying it was Lee's baby - she said something like 'I'm glad you never became a father' to him. But it hasn't been said specifically.
Someone up thread said it could be Ricky's, and Claire killed Pippa because Ricky was pressuring her to have an abortion (or was just dentingnhe was the father, maybe), which sounds plausible to me. Although what Lee thinks her reason For killing Pippa, and why he is happy to cover for her, is a mystery.

My guess would be...the policeman snagging Hardy's wife. Failing that, Ricky's. He keeps sending her bluebells. Because they're a flower (best line of the night, that was).

Danny was arguing with the postman because the postman thought Danny had keyed his van. That's the reason given, anyway - who knows if there is anything more.

Tom hated Danny because Danny was growing away from him, and want his best friend anymore. Tom W's jealous of Danny's new friendship (assuming it was older, cooler kids like his sisters boyfriend - Danny was mixed up in the drug deals - and not knowing it was actually the dodgy relationship with his (Tom's) dad). He sent Danny messages saying bye hoped he died or similar - teen facebook/messenger angst.

The red diesel was stolen by Nigel because he forgot to fill up his van and realised he was stranded after his night poaching, so he nicked the diesel from the farm vehicle.

No idea where the vicar was.

I had to turn on the subtitles a few times last night to work out what the hell they were saying. On the beach it was along the lines of:
Claire: If we split up will you trust me to keep your secrets?
Lee: Do you trust me to keep yours?
Claire: You shouldn't have hit me
Lee: You're lucky I stopped there
Claire: Thank god you never became a father [stalks off muttering 'stupid idiot']

Still, I quite liked Lee getting all wet in the stormy sea.

I didn't get the 'wee secret' bit either.

Questions for me this week:
-how did DT march up that hill to Lee's folly the day after being discharged from a major heart op without even being out of breath?
-Where has Pauline Quirke gone?
-Would anyone remotely believe the defence's summing up as it sounded like a made-up story.
-As someone upthread said, why would the dad kill Danny in case he told his mum, when the dad was about to tell Beth all about it anyway?

Wee lie, not wee secret. The suggestion from lee that he had heard of Thorpe incinerators because Pippa's mum did their books. She didn't. (So Hardy thinks).

'Because they're a flower (best line of the night, that was).'

No, GentlyBenevolent, I think the best line of the night was the one before: 'Do you like bluebells?'

Ahhh, cross-post. Thanks for 'wee lie' clarification.

Thank you Panda and Miss M

The hill to the ruin isn't the problem. The problem is walking over the golden cap to Lyme! That's some schlep.

I kept saying towards the end of last night that they were going to end it without letting us know the verdict, and DH kept saying, "no, that's so corny and crap" and, lo and behold, it's another shite cliffhanger. Irritating. Maybe it'll be that Series 1 was nearly all Broadchurch with a bit of Sandbrook, Series 2 is a mixture of Broadchurch and Sandbrook, and Series 3 will be nearly all Sandbrook with a bit of Broadchurch IYSWIM. So there will be a conclusion to the Broadchurch trial, but not to Sandbrook.

But do you like bluebells is a perfectly reasonable question generally and in context. They're a flower would never be anything but a bonkers answer, either generally or in context. It was just mad! :)

AHA! Just seen the extra scene on thefacebook page. Thorpe Jr didn't go into hospital (or try and top himself) till after the girls had disappeared. There you go.

Wait, I've just remembered something about the red diesel- in the very first episode, they showed that the fence had been cut. Maybe Lee built the fence and was pissed off about Nige ruining it so is trying to frame him and Mark for Danny's murder. It's all about the fences! They are a clue! I bet there was a fence around the bluebell wood.

Gently, in a series stuffed with bad dialogue I thought that line was OK! It sounded to me like someone being a bit defensive. He had to answer but he clearly couldn't tell the truth; presumably because the truth is along the lines of 'Yes, they remind me of the daughter I killed'/'No, I hate them but I have the picture as a constant reminder of my guilt'.

Ahhh thanks panda for clearing all that up for me! .

Missed finding out about the keying bit.

It also bothers me that it's a bit of a crap picture. If you're going to have a photo of bluebell woods in your office you think you'd have a decent one, especially if you've gone to the trouble of framing it.

I think EauRouge is on to something with the fence theory. Serial killers are supposed to follow patterns of behaviour aren't they: maybe the police should start investigating every unexplained death that's taken place wherever Lee has built a fence. Bet there's a body in that folly the way he's been banging in those posts.

Or, 'it's the only thing I got in the divorce'. That might be more believable!

I don't think the series is stuffed with dialogue at all. It's superbly written and constructed.

stuffed with BAD dialogue (like my bad typing).