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Damian Lewis fans line up for Wolf Hall tonight

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Travelledtheworld · 21/01/2015 11:29

Wednesday 21st January BBC2 Channel 4

lush costumes.

www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/11358197/Damian-Lewiss-inspiration-for-Wolf-Halls-Henry-VIII-Wills-and-Harry.html

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LaQueenOf2015 · 01/02/2015 18:40

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flippinada · 01/02/2015 18:52

They are very wordy aren't they... I haven't read the Elizabeth one.

Speaking of Elizabeth, I also recommend Sisters of Treason by Elizabeth Fremantle - it's about the Grey sisters. Another tragic story but very well written.

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Sunnymeg · 01/02/2015 18:56

Henry VIII's behaviour was heavily influenced by the events of his Father's reign which had pretenders to the throne popping up and causing problems. He also saw his brother, the hope of England, die before he came to full adulthood. His desire to continue the Tudor dynasty grew more desperate as time went on. He wanted to be a great king, but was too hedonistic and too like his grandfather Edward IV to apply himself to anything for very long.

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flippinada · 01/02/2015 19:01

I think you could probably make a reasonable case for H8 having some sort of personality disorder...

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Fiderer · 01/02/2015 19:16

LaQ "But I can't remember the name of the illness" - monarchy? Grin

flippinada · 01/02/2015 19:23

According to wikipedia as well as being morbidly obese and having pus filled ulcers (bleurgh), he also may have gout and possibly diabetes.

Having that lot lot certainly wouldn't improve your temper.

flippinada · 01/02/2015 19:24

*have had

BOFster · 01/02/2015 19:31

Diabetes could certainly make you prone to erratic moods and behaviour if it was uncontrolled, and I doubt they'd have understood much about how to treat it back then.

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Trills · 01/02/2015 19:53

It must have been hard to be a Tudor, because there weren't any more of them.

You had an heir, or else everything went to pot.

No spares or cousins or anything like that.

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FrankelandFilly · 01/02/2015 20:00

I thought some historians had said they believed that Henry's bad temper could be due to the head injury he suffered in a jousting accident.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 01/02/2015 20:02

It was that curse Elizabeth Woodville put on them. Never mess with a descendant of Melusine.

YonicScrewdriver · 01/02/2015 20:03

K of A had two sons (short lived) and Anne B miscarried at least one male baby. I think they were fertile enough, just unlucky!

Fiderer · 01/02/2015 20:03

Why isn't it on a Sunday night? I have a stinking cold and want to sit by the fire with a flagon of mulled wine and watch Tudor England and enjoy political intrigue.

Twinklestein · 01/02/2015 20:26

LaQueenOf2015

I didn't use the word 'dim' so I don't know why you put that in quote marks. Nor indeed why you implied the treatise was Henry's own work, and tried to pass off the 'defender of the faith' title as a reward for scholarship rather than a favour for support. If you have read all that before you don't appear to have taken it in. Smile

Henry's obsession with Anne Boleyn was as much infatuation with her as the need for an heir. After Catherine of Aragon it's only Anne B and Jane Seymour where an heir was a primary focus, because Jane brought him Edward. While it is true he could have done with a spare, he married Anne of Cleves for diplomatic reasons, without having met her, and she claimed the marriage was not consummated; Catherine Howard he fell in love with and married despite the (probably true) rumours of previous lovers; and in Catherine Parr he needed a nurse.

The pursuit of an heir is a rationalisation of the actions of a man who was no more in control of his love life than he was his eating or gambling.

His marital strategies or lack thereof were as disastrous as his foreign policy and those are the only policies he can be held to be personally responsible for.

I can't argue with how you choose to define intelligence, but, by my standards, he was not an intelligent man.

KatieScarlettreregged · 01/02/2015 20:40

The Elizabeth one is a bit meh,TBH. Not awful, but not a must read.

When I retire I'm going to study the period properly, if only to get access to a decent reading list and library. Only 22 years to go... Sad

flippinada · 01/02/2015 20:50

I knew that Melusine must have had something to do with it all because..well....reasons.

Fiderer agree the choice of Wednesday night seems a bit odd. I wonder what was behind that?

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