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[Hassled]

...before the previous thread here rolls off a cliff.

Someone wanted a character list. I have, with a bit of help from Wiki, come up with:
The Mighty Carrie
Quinn aka Woopert. Most of us definitely would, despite the resemblance to a ferret.
Lockhart - once hated, now we have some grudging respect.
Saul - all that is right and good in the world, with a passing resemblance to Life of Brian man who hasn't spoken in years.
Dar Adul aka Salieri - what's happened to him?
Fara - once an IT fraud geek, now an intrepid hands-on agent who doesn't keep enough of an eye on her bin bags.
Martha, the nice ambassador
Denis, her nefarious husband
John, second in command at CIA Lahore HQ, we're warming to him
Aayan aka Pi, now sailing the heavenly oceans with a tiger
Sandy, former CIA chief, now pushing up the daisies
Aasar Khan, aka Raza, aka Hot Spooks Guy
Bunran Latif, the General, aka Art Malik
Haqqani, the craggy Taliban leader who prefers to shag next to a bearded man chained to a radiator
Tasleen, aka one of the Kardashians.

Have I missed anyone?

I think this is why we weren't visited by a spoiler troll thus time- there is nothing to spoil(er).

:o at Dar Side. And you're right, we cannot forget that Saul is Good.

Mmmmm. Way too much Carrie family stuff

No Quinn shag.

I kept expecting a car to explode.

Just felt like a penultimate episode. No wonder the thread troll didnt reappear to spoil the ending. There wasn't one!

I was going to say the same thing Otti. They probably all fell asleep & then just couldn't be arsed to troll that ending. No one would have believed it.

Well Coco, Carrie has to deal with Saul as her boss, who she is pissed off with. Knowing Saul though, I think he will still go after Haqqani - I don't think he will leave it alone and Dar Adal will rue the day he helped Saul get his old job back! She has found out she wants a relationship with Quinn but there are complications. I guess we will see more of Tasneem and Col. Khan - at least I hope so. Tasneem looks like she will be a major political player.

I think it has set us up well for Season 5, in fairness - but you want a bit more out a season finale, really. It can't just be a tool to unsettle us slightly and point us in the direction of next October.

Evenin' All
Very glad I had had a couple of tonight as that was a bit of a soft episode, tying up loose ends and er, untying others leaving us relieved that Carrie and Quinn finally had a snog, why did she have to go all cool on him. Am loving the 'Dar side' it was all a bit convenient for Saul to have been turned so yes, I guess he is trying to get his foot in the CIA door by agreeing to whatever. Also loved the front door...
They are going to need a whole new cast for next series as everyone has been exterminated...and Lockhart is being demoted/sacked etc... Wonder if Carries mother(didn't realise she had one) and half brother will have any significance in next series, that all seemed to be a red herring and couldn't believe the mum drove through all those states and didn't go to funeral?
Aah well, back to the and fretting about Quinn in Syria

I think my favourite scene was when Lockhart came late to the gathering and they asked him to join him. He was accepted. I think it would be good if Lockhart was part of the next set of adventures.

I really hope Saul and his wife split up. I don't think she adds much to the narrative in the greater context of things - Saul needs to realise he is married to the CIA.

Will Quinn be in it much next series or was that a way of writing him out?

Was really annoyed when Carrie turfed her mum out of her sister's house!

Was actually quite pleased when she was raging at Dar along the lines of "Saul would never agree to that" & Dar said "why don't you ask him".

That wiped the smug look off her!!

I've been lurking here but emerged from the shadows to mark my massive disappointment at that episode too.
Lazy, lazy to use a season finale to set the scene for the next series.
And no Zaf :(

That was pretty shit all round - v disappointing!

I think the kardashian will feature in the next series too. Gutted she lived

And don't forget everyone…………………………

Saul is BAD.

I want Carrie's sister as my sister! Babysitter on tap. This episode was shite..... whereas the last 2 episodes were fantastic.

What a crock of dull shit.

How pointless. They should've just left it at last week's.

Totally agree that this is lazy in terms of using the finale for scene setting for the next series.

Can't really get my head round Carrie and Quinn either

I'm watching catch up so its not live and I'm 3/4 through it but oh my.... is this the same programme??? Oh so dull. Like some soap opera or family drama.

Keep expecting a bomb to go off in the middle of the road or someone to come a shooting from the swimming pool but so far nothing but dreariness and boring conversations.

Hope something happens before the end. Or someone dies. Or something explodes.

And Mira.... what a world class bore. She is useless as a character and one of the most irritating characters in the series.

Just finished watching it. Without doubt, The Most Shittest Homeland Episode EVER.

All I kept thinking was its like Carrie's Creek. Surely Quinn (if he wanted to be with her) could understand that her dad had just died and her mum had just turned up.

It was a bit like Dana's Creek but even worse.

I didn't mind it. Showed how totally self absorbed Carrie is.

Very funny when she was talking about her mother running out on them and asked 'what kind of mother does that to her children?'

You're right about how self absorbed she is Nancy - I thought it was horrible that her sister was the one who wanted to have a relationship with their mum & Carrie didn't so threw her out & yet then went after her. Poor sister needs to get a backbone & tell her where to go!

I also don't want Carrie & Quinn to get together!

I thought it was really good actually.....developed the characters well. You can't have wild car chases and terrorist attacks every episode, surely? I just knew Quinn would return to the black op though. He is driven.

Help me out here though...in series 1 or 2, when Peter Q was first drafted in by Dar Adul, didn't Max and Virgil discover a girlfriend/wife and child?

Time to revisit series 1 and 2 I think.

Well remembered donnie

I think I might watch the whole lot from series one (now I'm in homeland mourning). Although not sure I can stomach Brody in series 3

I wonder if they just ran out of budget given how expensive the last few weeks episodes must have been? I'd read the synopsis on wiki last week so knew it wasn't going to be along the same lines as previous episodes, but it did seem a bit of a tame ending for a series.

I really liked it.

How Carrie must have felt realising that she is just as like her mother as her father.

I didn't Quinn as driven, more resigned to never really escaping the firm.

So Saul of the secrets is now back in charge and aided to that place by Dar and ? Haqanni. Hmmmmmmmm.

TBFair, there were bits of it that I liked but the pace was so slow compared to the previous episodes that it was hard to get my head around it. Watching Quinn doing the dishes and playing with the baby were tragic because a normal life is what he wants but obviously not his lot in life. He is so desperate to get out and Saul wants to get back in just as desperately.

So yes, while there were good bits, the overall effect was a bit meh. When are the writers going to realise that we prefer action with a small dose of family drama as opposed to a family drama with a dose of action or in this episode inaction. Political intrigue and CIA machinations is what I like to watch.