The Fall, Series 2

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Series 2 of The Fall begins on Thursday 13 November, 9pm on BBC2.

Here's the trailer. youtube

Ah Cool, you must be right re Katie getting her "instructions"

Is Norman Bates still handcuffed somewhere..?

I didn't think it was a skeleton in the boot

At some point this series there was a lady banging and shouting in the boot of his car who I think was rose as he drove away from the derelict barn? So could be her...

I'm well spooked, and wondering how they are going to make another cliffhanger so that they can have a season 3.

Defo a mannequin. I just paused it. Because I am sad. There's wadding sticking out of the 'skull'.

I really really wish I hadn't watched this alone in the house. And having just consumed my body weight in cheese...

He set up some mannequins in some outhouse near the the grandparents house. Then when Stella was onto him, he burnt them, and a load of other incriminating stuff in the car.

My wife has a cold, headache and whatnot and wants me to sleep in the spare room tonight so that she doesn't disturb me. Not tonight, love - not after that episode! Christ that was scary, particularly the shoot-out.

The shoot out was so realistic!
It was a brilliant episode.

Agree that was a great episode - best in this series I think

Wow... Great episode, where the police seemed to get everything right and ended up with everyone being arrested, but do feel for Sally Anne, she still thinks it's about the alleged affair and not with her husband being a killer. Sad for their daughter asking if it was Daddy on the phone.
The priest was simply petrifying...what a head case. Talk about the sins of the fathers

It seemed mad that the police didn't just ask the hotel owner for a spare set of keys, and interview him.
Agree that it made no sense them following him so rubbishly if they wanted to arrest him when they knew he was in the house. If they wanted to tail him then why weren't they doing it the way they did with the babysitter. They had done all they could to make it obvious they were on to him by wrecking his flat and sitting outside it in a car, plus Stella thought he'd overheard them discussing him. He was never going to make life easy for them.
It was very silly. You'd also think they'd have sent some policemen into the botanic gardens and would search it.

BTW - I disagree with the posters/reviewers who say this series is misogynistic. I think it's a gripping study on how abusive/violent men can be hidden in plain sight, can be our neighbours, colleagues, relatives, who can lead amazingly complex double lives. How sexually violent and murderous men can look like Jamie Dornan - sexually violent men do not have horns and fangs. It is about a violent hatred of women, and how a man with a wife and children, who he seemingly cares for, can still be a monster.

It has strong female characters, second only to Scott & Bailey in TV current dramas IMO, every episode passes the Bechdel test- but tackles the very real, and very horrific subject of male violence against women. I have felt a tad uncomfortable watching some of scenes - but I have not seen them as misogynistic or anti-women. Pretty Woman is misogynistic. Hollywood movies with one female character as 'decoration' and a love interest of the male lead are sexist. The Fall is not.

Interesting article on The Fall

Interesting point, not sure i agree though. That test, though a useful check, is rather a blunt instrument- for example, yes to 2 strong female roles yet their conversations DO centre on a man, in this case PS/PB. Okay, not in a romantic context but still the male is arguably still dominant.

The RS video was very disturbing. I can't help but feel he'll get away with it all and he's set up the babysitter in some way. Agree the main part of the finale is going be Stella and PS trying to break each other down in interrogation

Am I the only one who hopes that some kind of conclusion is reached next week rather than a cliffhanger and a third series continuing the Paul Spector story?

no, I also hope it concludes.

They know who he is & have him in custody.

Don't they have his fingerprints on a murder weapon?

Wondering where the babysitter ties in to it all.

Why is Gibson so keen to have the Merlin actor arrest and interview Specter? I don't get it at all.

Why was the episode so slow and so unsatisfying?

Why did Specter spend so long destroying evidence and yet leave this videos on his phone? Did he think he still had time to delete them? They don't need anymore evidence than the video do they?

They can't come back for number 4 surely? He has to rot in prison for a good while yet.

You're not alone- been eeked out too much already.
Your post made me google though and came up with Mirror story (so who knows!) reporting GA in TV interview saying that "we've got ideas for the third series"
Shame really though admittedly i'd probably watch it. Why wouldn't they, i guess? Must be massive commercial success.

They could do another series without PS because GA could be assigned a similar case because of her dealings with this one. Or maybe she'll have to get advice from PS in jail Hannibal Lector style.

I think he'll either die (killed by abusive husband who escaped in the van) or get away with it somehow.

Oxon, yes, Bechdel is a blunt instrument - v simple, so it's telling that so many films/dramas completely fail on it.

Stella is planning something, the way she brought Anderton (Merlin!) in, and said he was to arrest and do the interview. Can't think why she did that, but it was v deliberate.

Specter also seems to be setting something up - really hoping it will all resolve in the last episode as well. Would a third series without Specter work?

Also, sending in that policewoman to arrest him for the Joe Brawley murder, looking like one of his victims. Clever stuff.

I was location spotting all the time (I used to live in Belfast), and they were all wrong in the geography of the Botanic Gardens, lots of zooming past my old school, and then the shootout where I used to live (Elmwood Mews is behind Elmwood Avenue).

I agree with parts of what you're saying Sabrina, but I think a lot of it is unnecessary titillation dressed up as telling the story. The two women did not have to kiss to show that Stella is a strong, sexually confident woman. I think that the programme-makers are hiding behind that, while giving viewers some good old-fashioned titillation. Ditto the scenes when the babysitter is being bound by Paul Spectre, and even the Rose Stagg video scenes last night - they did not have to be that drawn out.

It does remind me of the faux-outrage the likes of the Daily Mail adopt when they want to report a salacious story but (pretend to) stay on the moral high ground.

Having said that, it is gripping, (I turned down the volume on the RS vids last night), and I want to see the bastard get his come-uppance. If he doesn't next week, I am not watching the next series!

Yes, I know what you mean, Latin. I've felt uncomfortable watching some of those scenes, they seem voyeuristic. But I think, perhaps barring that, the story is about misogyny, rather than misogynistic.

Although, I have wondered if I'm doing this: Woman takes short break from being a feminist to enjoy TV show

I read a review that said they had sent Anderton in because he was better looking, a better actor and had fabulous eyebrows and that's why PS was sulking and refusing to talk

Gibson sent in Anderton to 'mirror' PS. Dark, handsome, calm and levelled voice and note he sat stock still legs apart, hands on knees. PS broke the 'reflection' by putting his legs and feet on the table. Very clever.
Also shots of charging policewoman in tight short skirt and black tights was all staged by Gibson to illicit a reaction from PS.
I can't help thinking the guilt Katie will feel when she's a mature Mumsnetter and realises the implication of her actions.
The scene from start to finish with the wife beating baddie was just brilliant.
Roses video on PSs phone was left there on purpose it was not an oversight, Rose is his only bargaining tool, he'd planned ahead.

Geez, that was a great episode. It was so stressful, took a good hour for my heart to stop pounding! That shoot out scene I was not expecting to go like that, for him to go for the police. I thought the female cop was a goner.

Did Katie succeed in destroying that SD card, I don't think she did? I was also a bit puzzled by the Rose video, had he cut and edited for himself to watch and then recorded a message to himself at the end? Or was it left there deliberately for Stella and he's asking why she's watching it. Seems funny he was so efficient at getting rid of all of his evidence only to leave that video. Not sure it was a good sign he was there at the end of the video, I thought she'd just been left on her own in that old house with a video camera and was probably still there. Interesting watching Rose go through all the different emotions, a bit like the stages of dying.

I am interested to hear of his background now they know his real name. I am finding watching all the behind the scenes police work and staking out interesting.

I think she had slow talking cop arrest and interview him as it was less inflammatory, he'd have been spurred on by Stella. She def had some sort of plan.

I don't understand how they suddenly found the burnt out car. I wonder if they find some of the notebooks not quite burnt.