Baby p the untold story

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What are people's thoughts on this program ??

Cameron looks a bit shit now, given we know how close to Rebekkah Brooks he was at the time.

Ofsted were a disgrace at that time too.

Bloody Westminster politics.

she is not having a good interview.

Has Evan actually watched the programme?

The poor Paedritrician, tge press are like wolves, she was et down by the system too.

I work in paediatrics in a medical field and none of what came out tonight surprised me at all. If parents set out to deceive they are rarely challenged effectively mainly because the system is so stretched. The lack of experienced SWs is a major part of the problem. Most boroughs employ locum SWs and I'd be lucky to speak to the same SW about a case from week to week. Agree the field of child protection is a thankless task and if you make a mistake: accuse a parent or a child is seriously harmed on your watch you can kiss your job/career goodbye.

Looks like stupid Evan didn't watch the film.

Fucks sake. He should have asked about Kim Holt, Ofsted, the NHS referral. What a wasted opportunity. He just rehashed the Sun shit.

kiss your career goodbye, god that is shitty

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Interesting how the ITV news producer suddenly clammed up when asked about the Met briefing the media against Haringey children's services.

Brave paediatrician to go public about attempted pay off.

Very sad about the Saudi doctor's breakdown. I was just relieved to hear she hadn't committed suicide.

Cameron - lying twat.

Balls - slippery lying git.

Poor case worker. No wonder SS find it so hard to recruit when there's such a witch hunt.

Didnt watch the interview. Was it a hardline Paxman type thing? I hate this sort of journalism. I dont want people hauled over hot coals so that I can feel self righteously satisfied. I want to hear people answer those difficult questions and to be given proper space to do that.

Grrrr.

Oh yes, I was a bit at the sheer volume of hate mail Haringey received at the time. Couldn't help wondering if ploughing through it to check for genuine reports etc hadn't taken resource away from actually protecting children.

Absolutely, Indians.

I was wondering what has driven Shoesmith to come out of the woodwork now. I would have asked her if it had something to do with the fact that Rebekkah Brooks is no longer inviolable, whether some kind of legal timeframe has passed, or if it because Kim Holt has been interviewed.

Shoesmith will need to learn to control interviews better than that.

And I am still watching Newsnight and Evan Davies is being a knob in his Afghanistan interviews, interrupting and not listening properly.

I think the producer must have screamed in his his ear because he just calmed down.

i thought she won him over at the end perhaps, he was pretty crap though, a real Sun reader type interview.

You wonder what drives some people to expend so much energy on hate for something they have no personal involvement in.

If even half of the energy spent on hate, signing Sun newspaper petitions sending hate mail etc was actually expended on doing something to help vulnerable children and families in people's own communities it might make some difference.

Is most of society genuinely so blinded by tabloid manipulation that they think signing a crappy petition to get someone sacked will actually save children? Do they genuinely not recognise it as a media stunt?

It's the same mentality as people who read shit on FB and believe it, like peppa pig is now banned because of muslims.

I think the programme failed to highlight the need for agencies to work together and communicate efficiently. It seemed to me that it was only after baby P's death that the information was shared between agencies and pieced together to form a conclusion - why wasn't this done before he was tragically killed?

Tbh Sharon Shoesmith seems to only be interested in blaming the NHS and discussing how she was affected. There seems to be no remorse at all. Her comment regarding looking over Haringey and 'hoping' that all social workers were looking after children was a bit considering she was accountable for ensuring that this was done!

I am also horrified about GOSH offering Kim Holt 120K to keep silent .

I found it really interesting to watch. I still don't understand why this case in particular invoked such a witch hunt. Not that the facts arnt bloody awful and it makes my heart hurt to think of that little boy and what he went through, but dozens more have had the same fate since yet I don't even know their names. Why take down an entire department over this case? Why were politicians and the media so desperate to whip up the public right then?
I really feel for the caseworkers directly involved. Maybe they cocked up, and the guilt must be massive, but only 3 people set out to harm that little boy. Only 3 people caused his death.

The most important part if the programme was the comment by the. CS reviewer.

She said that all services made mistakes but in this case they all made them at the same time . In other words, errors and messes are rife in the system, which we all know anyway is true.

I didn't see the first programme but saw Sharon Shoesmith on Newsnight and I didn't think she did herself any favours. I tried to be open minded but failed to feel much sympathy for her. But in the end she wasn't the one who harmed the child.

mrstiggy, it was Haringey, which was severely criticised following Victoria Climbié's murder.

Agree with many PP's, every serious case review I've read indicates communication failures.

One other point I picked up on was a "Senior Social Worker" did not agree to Peter being taken into care after his Social Worker raised concerns and Peter was taken to A&E.

This is a dilemma I know too well, it'll often be a gate-keeping process where you have to weigh-up resources versus need. Children's services budgets are set too low, are always overspent, and, therefore pressure comes onto managers to only spend money bringing children in if critical scenarios present themselves.

The cuts in recent years have only made the situation worse, the two high costs to Children's services are placement cost, (very rough approx minimum £1000 per week) and staffing costs. So local authorities have to balance keeping good staff with taking children into care.

I guess that some way explains the media hysteria LineRunner But I would have thought that would have made the higher powers even more keen to show it wasn't a terrible failure of all the systems put in place following the report on Victoria. It made it look like they had done nothing at all to learn from what happened before. They seemed to just throw the entire department to the dogs whilst allowing health and the police to hide behind them.

Fear of blame mrstiggy is human nature, therefore diverting blame is almost an instinctual default. Children say "it wasn't me mum/dad/Miss". Unfortunately adults, especially those in power, are more sophisticated at shifting blame.