ok we all hate,the new doctor,

[Nerf]

Gutted, we are all surprised at how much we hate Peter capaldi! Was so looking forward to this! Its pants!

DD also remembers every word of every episode and understands the lot. I mainly know what's going on except when it's just really stupid and not worth bothering with even if it means that I miss later references. It's not holy, and I don't care if I miss bits of its 'creed'.

I can't stand Riversong and mentally switch off whenever she is mentioned or turns up. I sincerely hope I never ever ever see her again. Apart from her progeny I liked Amy.

Mind you, like meltedmonteray and some others on this thread, I have watched since DW started, so I'm well used to new Doctors and new companions. I'll be sorry to see Clara go nevertheless.

Ah - so many of the posts since my vent have made me laugh or smile. One of the best things about Doctor Who, imho - its lovely, witty fans (excluding the totally psycho chapter you find on some of the more specialised forums, obviously...)

I am totally on board with each new Doctor being "not quite himself" in the first ep after regeneration and know I will love PC's incarnation as I always end up at least fond of every Doctor.

My patience with the Moff finally went on Saturday, though. It's been building for a while and it's not the loopy plots I have a problem with, really, frustrating though they can be. And anyway, Saturday was fairly straightforward (although I agree the fire/flame theme could have been fleshed out a bit more - excuse the pun).

It's how he deals with and develops (or not) female characters that winds me up. They start as great ideas, strong characters - and then.....?????

I'm so glad I wasn't the only one irked by the Jenny posing scene. Seriously, can anyone come up with a reason for that to be included beyond it being a piece of titillation; a sexist gag (and whether it was said by a female lizard makes no odds, it was written by a man) about fooling a woman so she poses in her underwear??? It added nothing to the plot.

Thank god he didn't write next week's ep. Zawe Ashton's one of my favourite actresses and should surely be a great shout for a female Doctor at some point. Hopefully they haven't made her character a pathetic squib

It's kind of not true any more. He's still a travelling lonely time lord, and he's still the only time lord in the universe (barring the Master and any other stragglers still to be introduced) -- it's just that it's turned out that rather than obliterating his home planet and killing his entire species (which was always a little bit dark for Doctor Who) he sealed the planet and its population off in its own universe, where it's still inaccessible but everyone is still alive.

And there I hope it will stay, because we don't need any more overblown Gallifrey storylines IMO.

The search for Gallifrey is one of the new themes though, isn't it, Tortoise? He said something about finding it when he realised he hadn't destroyed it. That said, it could easily take him a whole regeneration cycle to get there

He can search for it if he likes; he'd just better not find it...

I agree with you Jux about River Song. She was a good character in The Library but I hated the storyline of her being R and A's DD and hated the stupid, boring, irritating repetition of "spoilers".
To go back, if the crack was many cracks, why did it always look the same?

I think it was the same crack, scattered throughout Time and Space by the TARDIS explosion

I really like River Song. I feel the old boy deserves some love, he's 2000 fgs! But I do agree that the whole Amy and Rory thing was a bit silly.

But I also didn't particularly like the way Rose treated Mickey and then copped off with a 10 reproduction in a parallel universe!

I still feel so sad for the Doctor lying in his bed translating for the dinosaur but also streaming his subconsciousness about Clara's rejection! I'LL LOVE YOU DOCTOR I WILL I WILL I WILL! As long as you let me stroke your beautiful sculptured face and feed you champagne chocolates made from space grapes from the fields of Venus! then we can have wild hard sex on the console but you HAVE to keep that coat on

Erm Malcolm...

I know, it's disgraceful!

Anyway Nerf please don't give up on him yet! Give him a little while longer and don't worry about underlying plots and story arcs.

I swear on my own optic nerve this series will be fabulous!

When we meet River, she is an independent archaeologist, leading a team of people into the unknown. She is fast, smart, wise and a bit naughty - with a better sonic than the Doctor. She is not a slip of a girl , she is mature and experienced and relatively unflappable. We go on to learn that she's a crack shot, with excellent taste in evening dresses and shoes and is a dab hand at flying the Tardis. For all these reasons I heart River, I really do, and I think she and Capaldi could make for a great double-act, even if only for one-off eps here and there.

BUT when it was suggested that her decision to become an archaeologist - a women with her brain and talent - was just so she could track down the Doctor it was a MASSIVE disappointment. It lessened her character, imho, because she wasn't living her own life and forging her own way - her life and energy revolved around the Doctor. And yes, she was designed to be the Doctor's own personal psychopath - but she had been there, done that and moved on until Kovarian caught up with her again.

If we had seen more of her interacting with the Doctor when she was on her own travels, her own adventures, then her character would have been much stronger - again imho, each of us has our own take on each character...

So I do want her back, but I'd like her to be strong and doing her own thing iykwim, a real equal for him indoors.

DMTWM - love your enthusiasm but am worried you're going to have a coronary before the end of this series!!

Also, re Ricky - he ended up with 'had the sense to move on' Martha in this Universe rather than 'moping after the Doctor' Rose in the alt-Universe, so surely a happy ending

Yes, I was going to say that about Mickey and Martha. When he joined the freedom fighters in Pete Tyler's parallel universe he blossomed from being Rose's tin dog

The Doctor had started as an old man who went off in a stolen TARDIS with his Granddaughter. This implies that at some point he had had a full Time Lord type life with a Time Lord type wife and Time Lord type children who then had their own Time Lord type children.

His granddaughter chose to stay on Earth with some bloke she had fallen in love with, so DW may have great grandchildren, and even great great grandchildren, who are walking amongst us, even as we speak.

He may get lonely, but he doesn't have to be, he has descendants (family) with whom he could celebrate Xmas if he wanted to.

Maybe Mickey?

She chose to stay on Earth in the 22nd century, though, so his descendants will be hobnobbing with our great-great-grandchildren rather than with us.

I bloody loved Capaldi, too. (And I adored 11, and don't let go of a current Doctor easily.)

I thought that PC was great.

Not sure about the story, especially the bit with the woman from Green Wing at the end.

and the lizard, her wife & the servant, WTF is that all about??

He can celebrate Christmas with me. Oh hurry UP Saturday, I need MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE!

Ah! That's where you are, malcolm!

Can I stay out with my new friends?

Please?

I'd totally watch a spin-off with Madam Vastra, Jenny and Strax fighting crime in Victorian England. It would be the steampunk Torchwood. (And I'm completely bored of steampunk, but would watch it because of Vastra, Jenny and Strax. And crimefighting.)

So..excuse my ignorance... who was Bad Education lady? I immediately thought she was the spirit of the Tardis (she says she likes PC's scottish accent, and has one herself), and the circular flowerbed in "paradise" mirrored the central console of the tardis. Is she trying to keep Clara and the Dr together as Clara is part of his destiny (I must admit the whole "impossible girl" thing confused me greatly).

Any other theories you clever bunch?