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ok we all hate,the new doctor,

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Nerf · 23/08/2014 20:22

Gutted, we are all surprised at how much we hate Peter capaldi! Was so looking forward to this! Its pants!

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Davros · 25/08/2014 11:38

I'm like you Nerf, I'm 54 and watched it from when it started up to when Tom Baker left. I didn't get the crack thing, bored with trying to understand River Song and got irritated with her in the end. I could cope with Badwolf and much preferred the good stand alone stories that had the BW theme going on somewhere. I am so disappointed in Stephen Moffat as we were thrilled when he got more involved being BIG fans of Coupling, Joking Apart and his episodes of DW. But I am going to go back and watch all of the Matt Smith series as I stopped paying attention and probably didn't give them a fair viewing I thought MS was awful although I was pleased when he got the role although I thought they should have gone for someone older. Tardis. I am pleased we've got PC now as it's a chance to get DW back on track. Another Tardis

plus3 · 25/08/2014 12:43

It was alright. I hated the new titles, didn't like Jenny be made to pose unnecessarily, PC will settle into the role I'm sure, but we all loved Matt Smith here.

DrMalcolmTuckerWhosMistress · 25/08/2014 13:27

Nerf he always goes a bit bonkers after he regenerates. The 6th Doctor (Collin Baker) tried to throttle his companion. The 11th Doctor had a craving for food and that's where the fish fingers and custard thing came in. It's a whole new "him" apart from the truly deep wired stuff changes and repairs. He can also use regeneration power to heal himself if he's injured. Everything that was him in a previous incarnation changes. But after a little while he calms down and the new personality comes forth. He's always a The Doctor but his personality and tastes change. (As the actor brings something different to the role that makes him The Doctor.) Regeneration is a near death experience for Time Lords. It's a painful process and that's where the bewilderment and almost drunk ness comes from. Traces of the last incarnations personality fade off as the new one comes in, it's mixed up and confused.

The 11th Doctor was old. By the time he regenerated he'd lived on Trenzalore for centuries. 11th doctor had gone from being 900 years old to almost 2000 years old during his time. He was the Queen Victoria of incarnations! He was about to die, quite simply of old age because his final and 13th regeneration had been used (back in the 80s it was said by the 5th Doctor that a Time Lord could only regenerate 13 times so this was then kept as a "thing" that no one forgot. By the time the 11th Doctor and the 50th anniversary arrived we knew it needed to be changed in order for the whole story to be kept going!) The reason he looked young in the final scenes was because he told Clara the TARDIS had temporarily rebooted his appearance...basically this bit was written in to please the audience so we could see Matt Smith become Peter Capaldi.

DrMalcolmTuckerWhosMistress · 25/08/2014 13:28

Oh and the new titles are ok...but wtf have they done to the tune?!? I sounds like it's drunk at a party playing a kazoo. NOT HAPPY.

^see I can criticise it!!!^

OwlCapone · 25/08/2014 13:51

I found the Jenny posing thing funny. I thought it was clear Vastra had no idea why it would be inappropriate as she looked totally ignorant as to why Jenny might object. There was no emotion from her about it at all.

Mrsjayy · 25/08/2014 13:56

I thought it was funny too forvthe reasons you said owl; I just didnt know how to put it before

rallytog1 · 25/08/2014 13:57

I think PC is going to be fabulous. Dark, edgy and wonderfully ambiguous. Keep watching, it may take a couple more episodes to bed in, but there were a couple of scenes in the second half of the episode that gave real glimpses into what a fantastic doctor he's going to be.

JustAboveTheDogPan · 25/08/2014 14:12

Ah yes the Vastra/Sheldon Cooper thing.

Nerf · 25/08/2014 14:43

Thank you Malcolm.
Now if you could just summarise the hole in the wall/crack/river song/ eternal soldier thing...

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DrMalcolmTuckerWhosMistress · 25/08/2014 16:10

Ok Nerf Grin

The crack first appeared in young Amy's bedroom and followed them all the way through the series. We later find out that the TARDIS exploded and caused these cracks to appear. They are essentially scar tissue with space and time spilling out of them so each time you saw a different one it was part of it's own story.

The one with the biggest significance was in Time Of The Doctor. During Day Of The Doctor as you know, Gallifrey was put safely away in a pocket universe. However it appeared at the right moment when the doctor was getting gobby with the Dalek ships on the clock tower as his old man self. Clara managed to persuade the Time Lords to save him with more regenerations that came through a big old crack in the sky!

River song is the child of Amy and Rory. Conceived on the TARDIS she developed special Time Lord type powers which include the ability to regenerate. Amy was pregnant, we saw her in the rebel flesh when everything went gooey. She gave birth to "melody" (who was river) who was taken from her by a mad crazy woman with an eye patch so she could grow up and try to kill the doctor. She did eventually shoot him when he was going through his Stetson phase, but she didn't shoot him really. (This point I admit was the most confused I've ever been watching DW but not to worry!)

River travels through space and time never quite knowing which doctor shed going to meet! She is well after his ass because he's a hot bit of stuff but had to remind the 11th doctor that they were married before coming out and telling Amy and Rory she was their long lost daughter, who they thought had been kidnapped by the crazy eye patch woman about ten minutes ago.

Simples! Tardis

I think series 6 was possibly Moffat's Surrealism phase, but he came out of it eventually when the world stopped revolving because no one understood how to live their lives any more.

Nerf · 25/08/2014 16:27

I have actually taken a screen shot of that for future reference.
Thank you Grin

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meltedmonterayjack · 25/08/2014 16:53

DrMalcolm - thank you for that. I think I'll have to read it a fair few times in order to try get my head around it, but at least it's given me some clue as to what might have been going on. I'm 53 and have watched since I was small, but totally couldn't cope with Series 6. It was doing my head in. I like the stand alone stories best. Although people have been complaining about the plot of Saturday's epi not making sense, to me it was pretty simple for Dr Who, these days.

RussTDaviesBear · 25/08/2014 17:18

To add to Malc's masterly summary, the reason the eyepatch lady and her gang were trying to kill the Doctor was to stop him bringing the Time Lords and Gallifrey back through one of the cracks, because then the Time War would start all over again.

Except that the only reason the cracks existed was because they had caused the TARDIS to explode in an attempt to stop the Doctor...

BertieBotts · 25/08/2014 17:19

Rory was an eternal soldier because he got sucked into the crack and was erased from time and space, so he never existed and nobody remembered him.

He came back as a soldier because the Nestene (alien race - robots made of plastic or something) create themselves based on a memory. The roman soldiers were from a book Amy had as a child and Rory came back because she had unconscious deeply buried memories of him (because ~love~ or something). He then killed her by instinct because he was a robot, and not Rory.

The doctor said that the box had magical healing powers (because you can't escape the ultimate prison even by death), so Amy was trapped in the box for 2000 years and Rory waited because he was made of plastic and couldn't age or die and didn't need to eat or drink or anything. He could have been zapped into the future with the Doctor's time travel but he thought Amy would be safer if he guarded the box.

During these 2000 years he became a legend, but once they got into the 1940s and he thought people might be suspicious he stopped dressing as a soldier and got a job at the museum as a security guard instead.

When they opened the box and let Amy out, she was healed. Then the doctor rebooted the universe by flying the box into the exploding TARDIS, and suddenly Amy is normal (With parents, which she never had before nor do we ever see again) and Rory is human and not plastic. The catch? The doctor ceases to exist. Except somehow he's magically brought back by Amy on her wedding day.

DrMalcolmTuckerWhosMistress · 25/08/2014 17:22

No problem at all Grin. It can sometimes get really confusing, but when it does I just switch off and watch the screen thinking"OMFG I LOVE DOCTOR WHO" like a blob of jelly instead. It makes life much easier, because I don't want to complain about it in case they take it away from me again! Shock

Saturdays plot seemed pretty straight forward to be honest. Just as well really as I was rather taken by just how much more I now fancy the balls off Peter Capaldi, now he's officially the Doctor. Sexiest one yet by a Gallifreyan mile!

RussTDaviesBear · 25/08/2014 17:28

Of course, some of the plots of the original series were pretty weird too, MontereyJack! Dh and I have both been watching since the first episode and are currently rewatching the entire thing. It's quite a job as lots of episodes no longer exist and have been painstakingly recreated by fans from audio and stills plus a bit of animation.

We've currently got up to about half way through the Second Doctor, and the Underwater Menace could probably rival anything Moffatt could come up with in the way of unexplained plot devices.

Besides which, it contains what is probably the best line ever in the whole of Doctor Who....

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 25/08/2014 17:29

I think Moffat might have realised he'd over complicated things when he had to go on Confidential and actually explain the storyline...

DrMalcolmTuckerWhosMistress · 25/08/2014 17:31

Totally never had these issues with Press Gang....

DrMalcolmTuckerWhosMistress · 25/08/2014 17:36

I love the second Doctor. He's definitely one of my favourites.

I have three categories:

Before I was born - Hartnell to Baker

From when I first remember - Davison to McGann

New series - Eccleston to Capaldi

This allows me to have more than one favourite Grin

I've recently been watching Dalek Invasion of earth. I think the early Daleks and Cybermen are waaaaay creepier than the new ones!

Nerf · 25/08/2014 17:36

Polka dots that's really funny.
I'm up to seven screen shots now Sad that other people have added some detail!
Still am a bit confused. I really loved the werewolf and the queen and hated the hitler one as an example of my level of ability to understand dr who.

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RussTDaviesBear · 25/08/2014 17:40

I'm always more creeped out by black and white Daleks!

That bit in An Adventure in Space and Time (the drama doc about creating DW) where the Daleks are being filmed and we see one looking through the camera nearly sent me behind the sofa - I was 7 years old and terrified again...

DrMalcolmTuckerWhosMistress · 25/08/2014 17:43

What is it that confuses you the most Nerf?

DrMalcolmTuckerWhosMistress · 25/08/2014 17:46

Oh it's definitely the black and white thing that makes it more scary! I think those early mondas Cybermen just look like they're a nightmare dreamed up from from the ww1 trenches.

TortoiseUpATreeAgain · 25/08/2014 18:27

In that vein, Rusty, I present the Top 10 Most Ridiculously Overcomplicated Doctor Who Villain Schemes

Nerf · 25/08/2014 18:31

I think what confused me the most is the bit about how it started with a travelling lonely time lord and I think he had somehow managed to undo what happened in Gallifre and hide it? So the whole premis is not true anymore? But I might be wrong.

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