ok we all hate,the new doctor,

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Gutted, we are all surprised at how much we hate Peter capaldi! Was so looking forward to this! Its pants!

Also wanted to weigh in to say I was a bit unsettled by the Vastra/Jenny relationship now. I really hope that it's something to do with a storyline but vastra was being horrible! Flirting with someone else openly, getting her to dress up and let her think she was drawing her (although I did think it was quite funny when it was all maps but then said to DH, that was mean), and doing all the serving even when it's just them and people who knows them. Plus Jenny saying "we're married" every 28 seconds, why?

Before they were just together and that was fine and just normal. Now, not so good. Making a big deal out of it and it seeming like a really onesided relationship. Horrible.

YY. And (just to read faaaaar too much into it), I found the idea of them having a covert relationship with Jenny as the actual maid much funnier and more plausible - there's a whole Victorian/Edwardian trope for that sort of thing, the 'devoted servant' whose master/mistress never marries.

Please could you ask your 10 year old if she would mind trying to explain the whole River Song thing to a thick 53 year old with a non-existent memory Today I swear to God I have NO idea who is who or at what stage/in which dimension/era etc, they were their own mother, father, child, or why or how.

Yes if your ten year old could just do a run down of the salient points of each doctor's tenure that would be great. When did she start watching?

Is it wrong that I really enjoyed seeing Clara smacked in the face with a flying newspaper?

didn't understand the stupid disorientation - don't remember that at all from the others

Matt Smith and all the fish fingers and custard nonsense?
David Tennant also went nuts and had to lie down in Rose's mother's house. He was wearing PJs wasn't he?

I haven't watched since CE.

Will the storyline(s) be incomprehensible?

Disorientation is well played and makes perfect sense.

This regeneration has been like no other! He lived to be an old man in his previous carnation because it was assumed that he had run out of regenerations. His insides and outsides were aging and starting to fail. Then all of a sudden the Time Lords granted him the new regeneration cycle. (Imagine he's been upgraded from dial up to fibre optic broadband!). So his "new" set of regenerations are different and that's why instead of the long drawn out body morphing thing it was "POW!!" New doctor. So is it any wonder he's a bit more WTF after this one.

I love Clara and am disappointed she's leaving. Really didn't like Amy or Rorey. I really enjoyed the episode, but it will take some time getting used to PC. Really hope River comes back.

Malcolm you've lost me already. Tbh I started being unable to follow it once it restarted with all the intertwined complicated story lines. I was a fan back in the 70s when it was a tea time programme and kind of easy to follow, and a bit scary (if there was more, it went over my head).
So I'm coming to the conclusion that I am not up to following it and keeping track - I don't have that kind of commitment! I never understood the fish fingers stuff; was that regeneration? Thanks for explaining.

The Fifth and Sixth Doctors certainly had a period of disorientation on regeneration back in Classic Who, as did Eighth Doctor in the TV Movie (I don't remember the Seventh Doctor's regeneration except for the part about having to film the scene without Colin Baker, who didn't want to be involved).

Viewers probably thought the Fourth Doctor was having a period of disorientation but that turned out to be just what he was like all the time...

He lived to be an old man in his previous carnation

Did he? Young MS regenerated into PC.

The First Doctor had the disorientation thing before he regenerated! The Second snapped into the role fairly quickly, though his companions, especially Ben took a while to accept he was the Doctor.
Second to third was a forced change by the Time Lords, and Jon Pertwee's Doctor passed out and spent much of the first episode comatose, much like the Tenth.

As Tortoise said, the Fourth Doctor was 'normal' (for a given value of 'normal' ) pretty soon after regeneration while the Fifth (Peter Davison) was confused, though in a quiet way, rather than manic, and needed the Zero Room and later the Cabinet to help him recover.

Fifth to Sixth was a pretty quick regeneration, and Colin Baker got into his (somewhat abrasive) normal character pretty quickly. Like Tortoise I don't remember Sixth to Seventh too well, but I din't remember Seven being particularly manic.

OwlCapone - the Time Lord's energy first 'renewed' Eleven, so he became young again before he regenerated.

Did he? Young MS regenerated into PC

Yes. He aged into old age to the point of death and then after getting his new cycle of regenerations turned young again before regenerating. IIRC he had a line explaining it as part of the reboot process associated with the new set of regenerations, but I presume it was so that they could film the regeneration scene with Recognisable Matt Smith rather than Hidden Under Layers Of Not-That-Convincing Make-up Matt Smith.

Tortoise So Did John Pertwee. At the beginning of his first episode he collapses out of the TARDIS and ends up in hospital looking for his shoes.

I liked it. I may be wrong but I presumed the bit at the end meant that he had been absorbed by the TARDIS. Can't remember the female actor's name but didn't she play the personification of the TARDIS in an episode a wee while back?

No. Missy is played by Michelle Gomez, while Idris/The TARDIS was played by Suranne Jones.

Suranne jones played the tardis and yes all the past doctors are absorbed back into her well thats what I think,

When announcing her casting, SM said "She’s everything we need – brilliant, Scottish, and a tiny bit satanic."

Not sure whether that helps reach a conclusion...

I think PC is going to be great. He has a darkness that I think the doctor needs. I liked MS but his quirkiness annoyed me at times and I didn't think it worked between him and Clara, whereas I can see this working!

It was boring and incomprehensible at the start. Mumbling! Darn mumbling!

Enjoyed it by the end though.

Well all of that went over my head as a child.