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Child Genius (C4)

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TheFirstOfHerName · 20/07/2014 21:02

Anyone planning to watch this?

I was a little like these children; joined Mensa as a child, but used my ability to coast through school/university rather than to achieve anything noteworthy.

DS2 is also of this ilk. We are not doing any of the things these parents are doing, although when opportunities arise through school then obviously we let him participate.

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Hakluyt · 06/08/2014 12:08

Certainly that's what happened in the last series.

TryingToBePractical · 06/08/2014 12:27

I missed the first episode (must watch in 4od). Did Sophie get much coverage in that? if not, I think it is a shame that they only really focussed on her in the later rounds in which she did badly - clearly she is very bright to get as far as she did.

DDs (11) have watched and really enjoyed. they really liked Sophie. They attend an academically selective prep, but say there is no-one in the league of the likes of Sharon or Rubiyaat (and I don't think there are any parents like Tudor's!)

Although the focus is on memory and rote learning, actually most of those who have made it to the final clearly are exceptionally intelligent and have much more than just a good memory.

I dont think there was an official list of spellings. it was obviously from their reactions when some of the words were read out that they had simply never heard the word before. I suspect the list we saw was a list put together by one parent.

NoArmaniNoPunani · 06/08/2014 13:00

There was a list of spellings, sophie came unstuck because she didn't revise the list.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 06/08/2014 13:11

I didn't like the voiceover claiming it was Sophie's mum's 'strategy' not to revise. I'd have called it plain sensible!

fuzzpig · 06/08/2014 15:40

I assumed they meant 'revise' as in just generally practising spelling, like from dictionaries/encyclopaedias

Hakluyt · 06/08/2014 16:29

They certainly said in the last series that they were given a list of words. I assume it's the same this time?

GrossMeister · 06/08/2014 16:49

Oh I'd not picked up on that last series you've given me an excuse to rewatch it

Theas18 · 07/08/2014 09:12

Watching this on catch up.

Liking Jocselyn but I'm sure she'll be out.

The tube test was awful though - it you have no understanding of how it works how can you answer the questions even based on photographic recall of the map?

Theas18 · 07/08/2014 09:29

Liking Eleanor and her parents. I sort of identify with that- adult vocabulary and opinions... yup

Hakluyt · 07/08/2014 09:36

I think I actually dislike Eleanor's parents the most. They hate the process and what it does to children but still did it.

2rebecca · 07/08/2014 09:57

They had also given Eleanor a very narrow view of how to succeed in life that was all about getting into "the best" university. No entrepreneurship, apprenticeships, finding a job that suits your interests and temperament there.
If they hated it so much they should have stayed clear of it. I don't see how being on the TV like this is going to help these kids in later life.

MarianneSolong · 07/08/2014 09:58

I think I identify with Eleanor's parents a bit. I'm an 'older mother'. Spouse is an 'older father'. We both have fairly intellectual backgrounds and produced a child who informed us she wanted to take the entrance exam for a selective school. So we let her. I think it is quite hard to say no to a determined articulate child - they will bring it up on a regular basis if they feel you have deprived them of an opportunity - though obviously it's something one does in situations that are dangerous. But because Eleanor is the one who looks and sounds most 'grown up' it is particularly affecting when you get glimpses of the distressed child inside.

Vivacia · 07/08/2014 10:17

I don't hate them, and I don't think they're bad parents but I do agree that they have given Eleanor a narrow view. They seem very dismissive of, for example, mathematical thinking.

I think as children we repeat our parents' opinions as our own with the same conviction but without the same life experience. I don't think that this comes across well at all.

Hakluyt · 07/08/2014 10:18

I think all the parents involved in this show are bad parents. Without exception.

Notagenius · 07/08/2014 11:07

I don't think that attitude has necessarily come from Eleanor's parents although there will be a certain amount of having picked up on things from the circles they move in (at family parties for example a lot of invited friends are academics) but neither parent lectures at a Russell Group university for example.

And the school they chose at age 4 was not the one seen as an academic hothouse although
academic & sporting success is seen as important there.

Notagenius · 07/08/2014 11:08

I think we are all bad parents to a certain extent. We all make choices based on what we think is best at the time.

Hakluyt · 07/08/2014 11:11

"I think we are all bad parents to a certain extent. We all make choices based on what we think is best at the time."

Agreed. But only a bad parent would make this particular choice. Some choices are indefensible.

Vivacia · 07/08/2014 11:14

A thought that keeps me going is "Every parent is the best parent they can be at that moment".

Notagenius · 07/08/2014 11:16

We will agree to disagree on that.

It seems that on the whole she enjoyed the experience. She wanted to do it & she hasn't been damaged at all

I haven't actually discussed it with her parents but I don't think they are the type to know much about reality TV so maybe they were a touch naive.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 07/08/2014 11:22

I think it's hard to judge - the mum who wanted her son to make friends, was that bad parenting? Because surely, if you have a child who is very bright and very socially awkward, and someone comes along to tell you there's this fun thing he can do where he'll meet other children who might not run away when he asks them about quantum physics, you might go for it?

I don't see a lot of sign that some of the children are bothered by it at all. I know some are, but others are bouncing up to the podium, answering and then going off and chatting to each other.

Don't get me wrong, I think British MENSA and C4 are being exploitative, narrow-minded tossers in this instance, but I don't think all the parents are doing something bad.

I'm not a parent and I never knew children as precocious as the brightest of these (though I did know children similar to the less bright ones), and I do think it must be hard for parents to know how to keep their children interested. Especially when, with Rubiyat's dad, he doesn't understand the maths his 11 year old son is doing!

On an earlier series of this programme, there was a mother who was a university lecturer and her son was very bright, so she'd sent him to learn Old Norse with a local Oxford don. Obviously, that must be nice, but realistically, how many people have that as an option?! And there must be a limit to how many times you can tell a child to stop being interested in something hard, and to go play outside, before it becomes actively cruel.

Icimoi · 07/08/2014 13:22

With luck Rubaiya and Cuneyd will stay in touch, so they will each have gained a friend who is on their wavelength out of the process. So I suppose that's one benefit at least.

jonicomelately · 07/08/2014 13:29

I can't see how anybody could state that Eleanor (or any of the participating children for that matter) had 'overall enjoyed the experience. Eleanor broke down in years several times. It was heartbreaking to watch.

jonicomelately · 07/08/2014 13:33

Made a mess of quoting a pp. I think she actually said 'on the whole [Eleanor] enjoyed the experience.
On second thoughts some of the children, in particular Sophia, did seem to enjoy the experience as she didn't take it seriously. They were the exception to the rule.

Notagenius · 07/08/2014 16:11

I can only go by what I've been told.

I've seen her break down in tears losing at musical statues too. Doesn't mean she should never go to parties!

jonicomelately · 07/08/2014 17:43

Are you really sure you should be posting quite personal details about this girl without the permission of the parents Notagenius ?