Game of thrones series 4: SPOILERS ALLOWED

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Book and tv series spoilers allowed.

Yeah, not fair I couldn't find it now I have to wait

Argh. So the Tyrion things I'm expecting to happen this week don't happen this week? Tsk.

I don't remember exactly what happens to lead up to Tyrian/Tywin but they won't have that right on the heels of dead Joffrey. They will need to keep some tension for later in the series!

I agree with Vivacia that 'Breaker of Chains' wasn't a eye-poppingly wow sort of episode, but you can't have those every week. It moved some plot-lines along nicely.

Other than the scene with Sersei & Jaime, the most shocking thing was Littlefinger's accent.

The worst thing for me was LittleFinger's speaking. Why have they done that?

I didn't quite get that scene in the sept. I just didn't see it the way non-readers have viewed it. If their interpretation is right, and mine wrong, then I think the writers have really messed things up.

Far too many scenes felt like filler or deleted scenes from a DVD.

My favourite scene was Pod (I was sobbing buckets).

Great performances by the actors playing Pod, Margaery, Gilly and Sam.

I have read online descriptions of how the book portrays the S&J septon scene. The director has said in interviews that he was aiming for something similar to the book, but it did not translate well at all. Unfortunately, the interpretation that nearly everyone comes away with is very different and has an impact on our view of J's character development.

Analysis of the J&S Sept scene here

(contains spoilers pertaining to S4E3)

*Should possibly be J&C for Cersei. I can never remember how to spell any of the characters' names.

I really didn't like the Jaime and Cersie scene, they really made it look like rape. Didn't they do that with Dany and Drogo ?
I don't think little fingers accent was as dodgy as it was in the wire
Dany was good, as was Tywin. I didn't really get the change of story with Gilly, is that her gone now ?
It was a good setter upper as Three mentioned.

I was hoping to hear about Freys being hung in the woods and rumours of the brothers and lady Stoneheart / un cat. Maybe it's too soon.

They did do that with daenarys and drogo, well remembered. Why? Are the subtleties of a conflicted but consensual sex scene too much for them? What an odd decision.
I can't see how they can get rid of gilly, her story is so important going forward.

Very odd decision. Completely ruined Jaime's redemption arc, unless that is their plan as he turns out to be a bad guy all along.

I'm quite cross about it really. Do they think it doesn't matter?

I'm cross about it as well. It's so rape apologist, he hates her, but he loves her, he was carried away with passion, she said no, but she kissed him back. Awful awful decision.

As far as I am concerned, there is no ambiguity there at all. Rape is rape.

However, from what he has said, I think that Alex Graves intended this scene to be ambiguous in terms of consensuality. I don't think he was trying to create a rape scene, although that is clearly what he has created.

I'm not suggesting it was anything but rape, I think it was portrayed so that rape apologists could discount what it was.

Sorry, Snapespeare, my comment wasn't directed at you, rather at the director and those people who watched that scene and judged it not to be rape.

I think that that scene would be quite problematic if it was filmed as written though. As the link above has reminded me, it is very much a "No! No! No! oh, actually, Yes! Yes! Yes!" scene, which would have got them into all sorts of trouble. Jaime doing something dreadful isn't necessarily a problem in itself - people in GOT do terrible things all the time. It does mean that the Brienne/Jaime slashers will have to have a bit of a rethink though.

I did think of saying 'not sure if that was aimed at me, but stand by comments nevertheless' :-)

I agree it's very difficult. The whole thing around 'no meaning yes' in popular literature is so cemented, eg Scarlett being rated by Rhett in GWTW. The whole thing just fuels the idea that women 'want' rape on some level.

There are ways of portraying 'oh go on then' though aren't there?
They messed up, have given the apologists more ammo and, unless they are trying to tell us that Jaime actually isn't redeemed in the end (book wise) they make it 'ok' to rape.

I don't know what to think of it. I mean, of course it was rape but in terms of character development. I am reserving judgement. I know that Cersei starts to really decline mentally from here and that Jaime and Tyrion have an argument. It's been a while since I read the book so can't remember well.

There is a lot to fit in with all the characters so it does jump around a bit.

I thought the last time we saw Jon he was full of arrows? I can't keep up

Better than last week's and... duh, duh, duh! The tv programme takes one storyline further than the books!

Im totally confused about what happened in the books and what didn't.

This week's was quite hard watching.

I thought it has deviated quite a bit from the book in this episode. I don't remember Bran going to crasters at all? Nor do i remember Jon being sent out to Craster's? Plus it does seem to have given us more information on the walkers than it does in the book. I'm not sure how I feel about that as its fair enough knowing what going to to turn up in the TV series because you've read the book, but not happy it happening the other way round.