Sherlock finale thread- WARNING SPOILERS

[Allthingsprettyreturns]

Starting the thread in antcipation!

No, Moriarty doesn't come back in the books. Dead means dead in Conan Doyle!

It was brilliant. And Moriarty is back,fantastic ending. Can't wait for next series.

London mother. No need for your snidey little comment really was there? There's enough of that on mumsnet. If me disliking it annoys you perhaps you could just ignore my posts? So far, the threads have been pleasant with room for all comments.

So do we need to read the books to go "Ooooo I like how they adapted that?" and not think its bollocks?

classic mofat move, kills them off brings them back did the same with the darleaks

BOF - I yearn to hold Sherlock Holmes' pipe. So jealous.

BOF!!!

I actually LOL'd.

Good on you for having a clutch of Basil Rathbone's pipe.

RedToothBrush - there's a reason the books are still loved and read and adapted for telly. They're just really, really good. My memory is too shit to get all of the references in the TV series but when I do spot one it always makes me smile.

But dead doesn't mean dead in Doyle. He brought Sherlock back, after all.

I wasn't as keen on this one - it was a little too luvvie, even for me.

The Cumberpatch pipe. Oo-er.

That was great, really gripping.

Londonmother, in the books it like Sherlock's dead in the Reichenbach Falls, but then Conan-Doyle brought him back for another series. There was such an outcry that he had to, apparently. So even in the books, dead doesn't always mean dead.

It's a modern take based on the Sherlock stories... enjoy it, or don't

That was an amazing episode, WOW!! And I am so happy Moriarty is back, I like funny crazy villains much better than face licking/flicking fireplace peeing ones

OK, Punk, dead means dead in Conan Doyle except when it's Sherlock Holmes presumed dead!

The other obvious reference this evening was to The Man With The Twisted Lip when Watson goes to an opium den in Limehouse to track down the addict husband of a family friend.

Nerfmother, it would probably have been better if I hadn't posted that, so apologies.

In fact, there are numerous clever references to Doyle's work. Things were often not what they seemed. Also, Doyle believed in spiritualism so for him, dead was never dead.

The trouble i have is that if you haven't read the books, then because it seems to be just too referential; they have completely lost sight of the fact that most people watching aren't fan boys and aren't familiar with the books.

A good adaptation stands alone without the need to have read the book.

A brilliant adaptation would be able to please the fans and those who haven't that background knowledge.

I was just thinking of the intensity of BC's eyes.

I'm sorry - what was everyone saying?

Oh... You know what this means? We now spend the break trying to work out how MORIARTY faked his death!

Thanks London Mother. Much nicer here than in AIBU
Red I'm sure the first series referenced the books in the way you mean, with a balance?

RedToothBrush I haven't read any of the Sherlock novels, and have followed everything. Maybe the odd reference passed me by, but I can't think of anything right now.

Loved the t shirt gags, very nod to the geeks-y!

Moriaty. Really? Head not blown off then? Sighs...not sure how much more we can accept from the writers tbh.

(Twitter thinks he is 'the other one' ie a third brother)

Red - I haven't read the books. I heard that snippet about the books on radio4.

It stands alone as a great series for me - it's a billion times cleverer than an awful lot of the dross that's normally on. IMO of course.

That's why they wouldn't tell us how Sherlock did it. They are linked.

Benedict Cumberbatch has nothing to do with how much I like it. Of course.

Red, I think Steven Moffat has done exactly that. If you have read all the Sherlock Holmes stories several times, as I have, you get a little bit extra out of it, maybe. But he and Mark Gatiss have done a fantastic job of updating to the 21st century and you don't need any prior knowledge of the books to enjoy the series. In my view, anyway.

Less is more to me.

I think clever is good, but knowing when enough is enough...