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Sherlock episode 2 thread!

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Allthingsprettyreturns · 05/01/2014 20:38

Who is with me?

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giraffeseatpineapples · 06/01/2014 18:05

actually cheese that is a good point!

Moln · 06/01/2014 18:09

The solider was only saved because he was found in time. I think thecrehersal was for sticking the blade in rather than for the killing

Punkatheart · 06/01/2014 18:11

I don't he would know that Watson treated him or even saved him. He was not inside the barracks. He would just see that the guard did not reappear.

FuckingWankwings · 06/01/2014 18:11

Sherlock didn't solve the attempted murder of the soldier until after the old soldier had also been attacked using the same method. John, as a doctor, was able to see that he was still alive and keep him alive until an ambulance came, but didn't know how the injury had been done either.

I'd guess the would-be murderer took the fact that the first victim survived to be bad luck, and also that he wasn't too bothered about the first victim dying –it was the old soldier he wanted. The method was sound; he just had to take a punt on no one working out how he was going to kill his victims, and no one did until very late on.

squoosh · 06/01/2014 19:29

I can overlook a lot but how the hell did people not notice they were being stabbed! You would feel it no matter how teeny the blade was.

giraffeseatpineapples · 06/01/2014 19:38

Yes but you think the fact that watson and sherlock were on the scene of the first crime would have put him off trying the same plan at the wedding where they were both going to be present.

EverybodysStressyEyed · 06/01/2014 19:44

Agree it was too long and slow. I just came away thinking the writers think they are a lot cleverer than they are. I felt that way with the first series first two episodes and am disappointed they have fallen back into it!

Apparently they like to encourage family and friends into roles/back stage etc. that's why freemans wife and bc's parents got roles. In any other industry people would be up in arms but in luvvie Dom it's fine.

squoosh · 06/01/2014 19:48

The nepotism really pisses me off Everybody, especially as it's a publicly funded TV show.

RustyBear · 06/01/2014 19:51

The Empress Elisabeth of Austria was assassinated in 1898 by a man who stabbed her with a very long thin needle file. She walked 100 yards along a quay and onto a boat before collapsing - she wore very tight corsets, which presumably had a similar effect to the soldiers' tight belts.

teejwood · 06/01/2014 19:51

I too found it odd that they didn't really feel they were being stabbed, squoosh. When they did the close up of the stabbings it was obvious both victims felt something but are the belts so tight they really would not feel that it was a small thin blade? Is it possible it just felt like a piece of tight fabric tweaking a strand body hair?

However - why did the killer go on to use the strategy again? Well, it's more than possible that either a) Sherlock's involvement in the case was not publicised until he mentioned it at the wedding as it was not solved (so no chance for glory) or b) it was publicised but people knew that Sherlock had not been able to solve it - so the killer could take a chance on using the same strategy as the how and whom had not been discovered.

Also, his position as the photographer - the person no-one really sees - gives him the opportunity to operate unseen even if they were on the lookout for a potential killer. It's a trope used a lot in Agatha Christie, Sherlock Holmes and many other crime stories - the killer hidden in plain sight. In fact, it even reflects the fact John did not see Sherlock in ep 1 when he was masquerading as a waiter. All quite neat, really - these echoes between different situations - which is why Mrs Hudson's speech on not really knowing her husband I think foreshadows revelations to come about Mary.

teejwood · 06/01/2014 19:53

Rusty! Thank you for answering my question and what a fab fact to know Grin

squoosh · 06/01/2014 19:56

Thanks Rusty, that's interesting!

EverybodysStressyEyed · 06/01/2014 19:57

I'm sure the may fly thought he was very clever but if he was so hellbent on revenge why would he risk squandering his one chance.

Totally agree squoosh - the article I read was all very 'isn't that sweet'. Can't imagine they'd be saying that if it was a bank!

janesnowdon1 · 06/01/2014 20:02

What about the Waters(?) family at the start - the robbers who couldn't be convicted. I thought the story was going to be about them. Then it was dropped - will it be revived next week? or did I watch a different programme.

Agree it was too long and very slap, bang, wallop like Dr Who

RustyBear · 06/01/2014 20:13

I found out about it in a detective novel, teej! Perhaps I'd better not say which one, in case people haven't read it. Not an Agatha Christie, though I there is an Agatha Christie one where.......

the murderer held a 'dress rehearsal' and went on to commit the 'real' murder when Poirot didn't suspect anything the first time.

Grin
Trills · 06/01/2014 20:13

If I were a killer and I knew a murder method that Sherlock had failed to solve, I'd choose that over a method that he may or may not be able to solve.

RustyBear · 06/01/2014 20:38

Now you can have it on a T-shirt

OodlesofOods · 06/01/2014 20:41

They were on red bubble on 2nd Jan. ordered one for dh.

RustyBear · 06/01/2014 20:58

Ooh, the Redbubble ones are much nicer! I love Redbubble, it's where my 'timey-wimey' iPhone case came from.

TooMuchJD · 06/01/2014 21:13

Loved it, appeals to my sense of humour & I'm happy for it to stretch reality just a little in the name of entertainment Grin

giraffeseatpineapples · 06/01/2014 21:43

Trills I would agree if the method had actually been successful first time. Also why was the murderer drawing attention to himself by stalking the first guardsman and taking loads of photographs when his occupation is a photographer!

I quite liked parts of the episode but it was very slow getting started and unfortunately it was the first time dp had decided to watch so he got bored and fell asleep before things really got going. It was one for fans of the show really, which is a bit of a luxury when it goes on for an hour and a half there are only 3 episodes.

teejwood · 06/01/2014 21:55

Exactly, Trills!

DP also reliably informed me that it's a well known method of murder among D&D-ers...

Love the iphone case, Rusty. Have to say, I really enjoyed DT saying "I don't know where he got that from" during TDOTD Grin

teejwood · 06/01/2014 21:59

Giraffes - the first time it was only unsuccessful because people (Holmes & Watson) were looking for the Guardsman and got to him on time.

Arguably, if you do the same thing to a recluse who is likely to go to their room and not want/expect to be disturbed (this is someone less sociable than Holmes, after all) then the likelihood of the murder actually working is surely much higher? So it does still make perfect sense. No-one is going to be looking for a potential murderer, with that MO, at the wedding and no-one is going to care much when the taciturn grumpy Major takes off to his bedroom and closes the door. Plenty of time for him to bleed to death before anyone comes knocking...

BaconAndAvocado · 06/01/2014 22:06

Sorry to butt in but there was talk up thread of Mary being a wrong 'un......surely not?! (DH predicted this so I do hope it's not true Grin )

giraffeseatpineapples · 06/01/2014 22:32

D&D ers? what are they teejwood? If it is a well known method then sherlock should have thought if it sooner Grin That is very true though about the soldier friend going to his room by himself because he is a recluse, making success more likely.

Sorry, just though of another potential flaw, if the murderer was seeking vengance for his dead soldier brother, why would he kill another innocent man to practice on?