Sherlock episode 2 thread!

[Allthingsprettyreturns]

Who is with me?

I liked it and it was great to see the two leads doing some top-quality comedy acting. Benedict's acting when John was trying to get across that yes, he was his best friend and therefore he wanted him as best man was priceless. Also liked their drunk scene, although I thought the throwing up and ending up arse-up on the rug was a bit too slapstick.

Didn't enjoy Mary's simpering when it was 'deduced' that she was pregnant. She's otherwise so clever, sharp and seems to be ahead of both John and Sherlock. I agree that it might all be part of a sinister character reveal/story arc that'll happen later.

Loved Mycroft on his treadmill in those almost-obscene running tights

Bit of triv for fact fans - Alfred Enoch who played the young guard / Dean in Harry Potter is the son of the actor William Russell who played one of the Doctor's original companions, Ian Chesterton (in Doctor Who).

I am having really mixed feelings about it. I am not sure if I like Sherlock's new self awareness and I wonder what it means for his character and the way his brain works.

I did love what he said, so tender and romantic and Mark Gatiss is a real romantic from the interviews I have read. I just can't imagine those words coming from Sherlock's mouth!

Lots of lovely small points, interviewing the Usher, elephant in the room,

Dean Thomas has grown ahem

Mary is very interesting. How did she know what a "skip code" was in the first episode? The fact she is an orphan feels ready for a story too.

i enjoyed it, am liking the character of mary too.

Squoosh has nailed it. Sentimental and self congratulatory twaddle. I was knackered and stayed up 90 minutes to watch that - I'll never get the time back!

Something was mentioned last night about Mary When Sherlock was reading the telegrams. Someone sent one that said something like 'if only your family were here to see your wedding day' .

I lost patience with this episode around the halfway mark. It picked up at the end, though. Too bitty, with all the flashbacks.

wintera That one was sent by 'Cam' - which happens to be the initials of the baddie we see more of next week.

Oh well there you go then! I'm gonna watch it again and see if I can spot More clues!

Hmm I still haven't found any satisfactory answers to the bits I didn't understand which I detailed in my previous post. Am I a bit dim? Do the rest of you understand everything that happened?

Another bit I didn't understand is when all the women who had met the Mayfly Man were in the courtroom, and SH went through them and discounted most of them until he was left with a small group, all of whom worked for the soldier guy. How. How and why did he discount the others. How.

Sorry, it's beginning to annoy me now that it doesn't all make sense to me, and the reviews and recaps I've read haven't shed any light!

Ohhh - yes, Wintera - had spotted that message and that she looked fairly discomfited. Could CAM have a hold over her/be using her in a way that even if she isn't a baddie per se she's part of his grand plan - albeit unwillingly?

And she gave off vibes that pregnancy was not part of the plan once Sherlock had done his 'reveal'.

Even with their surprise, it was odd that John and Mary didn't hug each-other or smile at each other (iirc) or something. They were both more irked they had not spotted the signs before Sherlock. Or perhaps the pg was part of the plan that was not supposed to be revealed as yet? You'd think a doctor and receptionist would know whether or not they were using contraception effectively but more than that - it almost looked that this is something they had not really discussed, which is odd for two such obvious planners...

And following on from that - was Mrs Hudson's skit on her ex (loved the whole "TMI!" reaction to that from John) a foreshadowing that John really does not know who Mary is and what she is involved in? Just a thought...

1, the ex-colleague of Watson, Watson asked him where he was living now (so he didn't know) but later Sherlock deduced that the nurse woman had seen the wedding invitation. How did he have an invitation if they didn't know where he lived?

The army would have a record of their soldiers and retired soldiers - invitation would have been sent through them presumably, or sent to his old address and then mail redirected.

2: Why did the photographer go on dates with the women who worked for the ex-soldier. What did he get from them?

He was seeking revenge and so he wanted to find info and a vulnerable time at which he could strike. One date was enough. If he didn't find anything he wanted - then he moved on.

1. Sherlock said that all the women had a secret. What was their secret and how was it relevant?

Their secret was that they all worked covertly for the same man.

1. How did the photographer get the job as photographer.

Not difficult to find where the photographer worked and then nobble him. Temporarily put him out of action somehow.

I think there was more but that's all I can think of for now.

All in all, quite a disappointing episode. I liked drunk Sherlock and Watson, but as PPs have mentioned it was wrong for Sherlock to become self-aware regarding his social skills.

Sorry - cut and pasted too much from Riffy - but that's pretty much it.

I liked it. I think it was showing Sherlock coming out from Mycroft's influence - he was there in his mind a lot when he was working things out, which ended up with him shouting 'Not you!' at him. And the conversation they had when Mycroft talked about 'getting involved' and that it would be back to the good old days soon of just the two of them. It always seemed to be Mycroft's idea that to be brilliant you had to focus completely and exclude any human emotion or complications. So it's not that Sherlock is innately emotionless or inept in that way, he made the choice to become like that, back when he was considered 'the stupid one' when it was just him and Mycroft.

And now John's influence, and possibly Mary's as well, as the wedding must have been a few months in the planning at least, is meaning that his lighter and more human side is coming through, and he's understanding more, though finding it hard to change. All makes sense to me I may have over-thought this

Anyone else think that Sherlock and John's relationship is quite similar to Sheldon and Leonard's of BBT?

I love Mary, she's brilliant!

I was thinking about that actually too, and I think Sherlock is quite different to Sheldon, because of the fact that it was a choice for Sherlock, and he can learn to let it go a bit, whereas Sheldon is a bit of a lost cause I think. (The Sheldon/Amy relationship is really annoying me.)

I've never seen Sherlock, but as my friends have raved about it started to watch. I hated it, and after 10 mins gave up. Very disappointed

I liked it. It loved the fact that it was different from the other episodes - it was nice to have something that wasn't just a standard "get case at the beginning, run around a lot, solve case at the end."

I don't feel it's wrong for Sherlock to be becoming more emotional and in touch - he's been learning that from John.

And it was frankly hilarious

Sadoldbear, this was not a good episode to watch if you haven't seen it before. Lots of history and character development that you need to know about to appreciate it. The first series is great: I'd recommend just starting there and, if you like it, working your way through!

It was self indulgent wank. I don't care if next week is grittier I probably won't watch it. I thought last week's episode was poor and last night's was truly awful.
They have made Dr Who too complicated for kids and Sherlock too infantile for grownups. So are they aiming both at the 10-16 market then?

Yes I'd agree. We've just recently re watched the very first ep and its a cracker honestly.

Interesting what someone said about it being like Sheldon and Leonard from big bang, last week Mycroft and Sherlock reminded me of Niles and Frasier Crane.

Sorry I was agreeing with the post saying to start from the beginning.

Ah, I miss Frasier!

Can someone explain this to me please?

The young soldier who was seemingly stabbed in the shower was a rehearsal for the death of the old soldier bloke. But didn't Watson save the young soldier's life, as per Sherlock's speech?

That being the case, the rehearsal for murder failed, the victim didn't die. So why repeat the same method and expect a different result, especially when you know the bridegroom is the same doctor?