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There's no way of (Sir) Sugaring the truth as it's about to come out in the interview..The Apprentice Thread:the interview thread

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Allthingspretty · 10/07/2013 18:28

No can will be left unopened
No stone will be left unturned
As Mulder would say the truth is out there

So come on in!

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Shrugged · 11/07/2013 10:40

Chubfuddler, for me it's more that she isn't really making money from her medical training. I'm more wondering about the psychology of someone who would abandon something into which she has put such time, effort, intelligence, money, to do something which can be performed by non-medically trained people.

If, after all, she followed the normal route and went on training in a specialism, she would also eventually make significant money as a consultant. She presumably has the option of combining her interests, and actually training as a plastic surgeon or dermatologist, but she's turning her back on that, which looks awfully like being all about making a quick buck from insecure people who aren't ill.

I also think that taking the Hippocratic oath sits uneasily with using your training to 'add value' to doing unnecessary, ethically dubious cosmetic work.

I would have agreed with you about Neckbeard using his dead father for brownie points earlier in the series, but I think it emerged that he's actually completely in earnest about it. I thought that bit about his father being quite so obsessed with him becoming a pro footballer was sad, actually. He seems joyless and damaged.

thismousebites · 11/07/2013 10:45

Still don't see this as anything "new".
I live in a very Ambridgeesque village and we have a hairdresser who offers this service, so if we can get it here there must be hundreds all over the country already doing it.
Also, I wasn't aware that you had be qualified to carry out these procedures. Thought anyone could set themselves up as a botox beautician.

Chubfuddler · 11/07/2013 10:47

If Leah is successful in her ventures she will pay plenty of tax, generate employment for others etc etc. I'm not sure training and education are an accountancy exercise of you received x we deserve y, but even if you do subscribe to that view I'm sure she will pay her dues in time.

I'm not massively keen on the idea of botox myself, it just seems a bit, not sure, unfeminist almost to require her to limit herself. Yes she could go through the consultant route to private practice but it's long and hard and if she wants to have a family the odds are stacked against her making it. I see no problem with taking shortcuts.

CrapBag · 11/07/2013 10:48

" He seems joyless and damaged"

Yep. I feel really sorry for him. I don't think he was using his dead dad to gain points. You could tell he found it difficult to talk about in the interviews plus he was so quiet after and looked like he wanted to cry. Has he ever grieved properly? Probably not if he wouldn't even have a day off work.

Also him saying that he feels he has let everyone down, not himself, everyone else was quite telling. Far too much was expected from him at a young age and far too much pressure was put on him I imagine. I felt really bad for him that he seems to think he has let everyone else down. Sad

And Leah wanting to do botox? Big deal. There are loads of cosmetic surgeons out there, some do procedures that are necessary some don't. I don't see it as a big deal tbh. I people want to pay for it, that's up to them.

Can't see what is so unique about Luisa's idea. Isn't is Dr Oetker?

ARealDame · 11/07/2013 10:49

That was my sense about Neckbeard too, Shrugged, though I could not find the words you have eloquently found to explain. Not quite convinced about the peddling argument, I think a part of him was genuinely trying to answer the question about the source of his ambition. He had to be right because his father had to be right (sorry for pop psychology here), yeah it was a bit sad.

ArabellaBeaumaris · 11/07/2013 11:25

bico don't think that's true.

limitedperiodonly · 11/07/2013 12:04

I was all ready to come on here and slag off Neckbeard. I hate all that 'I'm a winner' shit.

But I've been humbled by the 'joyless and damaged' observations.

Damn you.

limitedperiodonly · 11/07/2013 12:40

Aha! I've thought of a reason to slag off Neckbeard.

He'd be a nightmare as colleague. Sugar admitted he would have taken him on as an apprentice in the old format.

Neckbeard would be constantly nicking your ideas, briefing against you and pulling the dead dad card every time you tried to complain. Because you didn't have such a good backstory, and Sugar is a sentimental old fool, he'd win every time.

RussiansOnTheSpree · 11/07/2013 12:46

I'm actually very sorry for Neil. Not because his dad died - My DH's dad died when he was 17, and he had to leave school and support his mum (who had a breakdown from which she frankly never recovered) and his sister (who was 8) - and he doesn't whine like Neil. So. But I'm sorry for him because what he truly learned from the process is that his self image is completely wrong. He isn't an entrepreneur. He isn't a boss. He;s an employee. And while personally, that;s fine, I wouldn't want to be an entrepreneur so I'm glad I'm not one - but that was how he saw himself. Not someone good at selling for someone else - an ideas man. And his ideas were shtako. It must have been very very hard for him to hear, that. Very hard.

Shrugged · 11/07/2013 12:56

I don't honestly think he would play the dead father card in any conscious or manipulative way. I do think that, if you worked with NB, his dead father would almost be a presence in his own right in the workplace, because his memory (and what sounds like a rather unattractive form of pushiness for his teenage son to succeed in one field) informs absolutely everything NB does. It underpins what looks like iron-clad self-belief, which can be a positive till you see it can lead an apparently intelligent man to continue to argue against all expert advice for an obviously stupid business plan, simply because he needs to believe that he can make anything work if he's 'passionate' enough about it.

Honestly, the interviews got like some conversation between a fundamentalist religious person and a militant atheist, where the atheist keeps saying 'show me proof God exists' and the believer just keeps saying 'But I BELIEVE'. And DH reminded me that in fact NB could have junked his crap estate agent plan and come up with a plan B. That woman Helen Something who came runner up a couple of seasons ago was told her concierge business plan was no good, so she came up with something new that drew on her experience (something to do with food retail?) literally overnight and I think made it to the final. But NB was way too involved in Believing to listen to advice...

limitedperiodonly · 11/07/2013 13:25

I don't even think Neckbeard is a good employee. They emphasise teamwork so much in The Apprentice and he's not a team player, he's divisive. That would be excusable from a boss's point of view if he was a selfish git with good ideas, but he's just a git.

He's deluded about his abilities but with just enough awareness to recognise other people as a threat so bulldozes or trashes them. And I do think he'd be the sort of person to pinch your ideas and would whine about you if you outmanoeuvred him.

People like him are exhausting to work with and the enemy of productivity because you expend so much energy watching your back instead of working for the company.

I'm not sure whether he plays the dead dad card deliberately. Maybe he thinks it's part of his specialness that his dad died when he was relatively young when sadly it happens to people every day.

His dad does sound like a manipulative cunt though, but that's as much a tragedy for people who have to deal with his son as it is for Neckbeard.

Chubfuddler · 11/07/2013 13:33

Not one of them was really a team player. Except Jason. Who was sweet but ineffectual.

I'm not sure about the whole format of the show tbh - if sugar wants an entrepreneur with a killer idea why make them go through all the teamwork crap? Ideas people don't need to be team players.

Lizzabadger · 11/07/2013 13:34

Obviously Leah will win. Wabbit wouldn't have been posing nearly naked in the tabloids if she'd won.

limitedperiodonly · 11/07/2013 13:45

And I'm not feeling the love for Clodd. He's rude for the sake of it and starts from the premise that everyone is a useless liar, which they might be, but is unprofessional because some people aren't.

His rudeness isn't witty either, which Margaret's is. My favourite is still Paul Kemsley from ages back. Funny with his insults.

Can't argue with Clodd calling Jordan a parasite and terminating the interview though.

RussiansOnTheSpree · 11/07/2013 14:04

chubbYes they do. Unless they can do every single task involved in generating the profit from their idea. They have to work with other people.

PoppyAmex · 11/07/2013 14:07

Rubix cube was hilarious though.

limitedperiodonly · 11/07/2013 14:26

I totally agree with all the people who said Wabbit thrives on other people's misery. She's awful.

Every time people came out of interviews she was in there with : 'Ooh! Was it bad? How bad was it? This is the worst day of my life. I bet you feel like shit, too.'

I think you'd be so shocked at the battering you got from Clodd you wouldn't notice Wabbit chipping away at what was left of your confidence on the way out.

PoppyAmex · 11/07/2013 14:28

I agree limited; you could actually see the glee in her eyes!

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Tee2072 · 11/07/2013 16:15

Jin, he's her ex-husband.

No where do they say in The Apprentice remit that the idea has to be original, just viable.

Lighthousekeeping · 11/07/2013 22:03

I'm sure you've already mentioned it but, surely their cv's were looked at when they applied to go on the show? It's all for telly isn't it?

Not4turning · 12/07/2013 02:16

Well I am a lifelong lover of the Apprentice, until tonight. That silly 24 year old, Barbiesque, too much Botox already will be one of the people involved in telling my daughter that she needs to look a certain way! I am sickened and even more sickened by the decision because it will make money? Where are these people's principles?

I can't believe more of you are not going great guns at it.

Kikithecat · 12/07/2013 09:36

I'm with you Not4. I think/hope Luisa will win even though I've been irritated by her all the way through, because I just don't want to see someone toting cosmetic surgery bollox to win. I can't believe Surallan will want to put his name to it either.

Lighthousekeeping · 12/07/2013 13:15

My friend sees Luisa in her cake shop all the time and really likes her.

limitedperiodonly · 12/07/2013 13:26

Does she tie her hair back? I'd be put off at finding a broken off extension in my frosting.

That would be just one of many things that would put me off setting foot in Luisa's shop.

Where is it btw? I don't want to go, I just want to know.