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The White Queen

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ShadeofViolet · 16/06/2013 17:06

Anyone else ridiculously excited?

I know Philippa Gregory's books tend to be a bit Barbara Cartland in places, and I hope the BBC havent increased it, but I still cannot wait to watch it.

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Fiderer · 17/06/2013 22:09

Mummy me too.

ShadeofViolet · 17/06/2013 22:39

There was plenty at the time who thought Jacquetta was a witch though, and that Elizabeth had put a spell on Edward, so although it may have been played up a bit, there is some historical basis to it.

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GhostOfTheRobot · 18/06/2013 09:54

Yes, I remember the witchcraft accusations.
I'm sure it's going to crop up later on as part of an attack on the Woodvilles so has relevance I just wish it had been done in a different way.

chicaguapa · 18/06/2013 13:22

I wish there had been fewer Henrys, Edwards and Richards in those days as I've been trying to gen up on the War of the Roses and keep getting lost on who is who! Now I know why I didn't do History, even though I find it really interesting.

guineapiglet · 18/06/2013 14:21

Well first I would like to rant about the fact that there are two decent dramas on at EXACTLY the same time- why does that always happen - ??

The Returned is really good, but I do love an historical drama, and have always loved this period of history - it is just so underwhelmingly studied at school - if at all, and you would have thought all the interest in Kings and carparks might have resurrected a national interest in the Wars of the Roses. I thought the casting was pretty good, I love Janet McTeer, and the costumes and setting were well chosen. I did have few problems with the script being a bit plodding and obvious, but I haven't read the book so will hope it is improved as the series goes on. I seem to recall Edward's brother/cousin goes on to become Richard IIIrd, the one who murdered (allegedly) the two princes, ( who are Edward and Elizabeth's children?). I have a wonderful book by Antonia Fraser on English Kings and Queens and am going to go and reread that period again.

My absolute dream would be for some wise BBC type to commisson an ongoing history series, going back to the Saxons and logically doing a decent drama through the ages, but a serious, non dumbed down one, ( obviously not dry and boring, )but at least trying to convey a coherent sense of history and how everyone links into everyone else, through family lines, dynasties, clans etc, so we could understand how it all fits together. There are always bits of history skipped over or studied 2 or 3 times over so our kids have no sense of a time line. Horrible Histories has done an amazing job rekindling and stimulating interest in history in a brilliant way, but it would be nice to have something more adult, but just as informative, if that makes sense!

( an aside but does anyone know anything about The Vikings new series/drama? IT looks fab.)

ShadeofViolet · 18/06/2013 14:32

I think its only available via LoveFilm :(

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SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter · 18/06/2013 14:42

"( an aside but does anyone know anything about The Vikings new series/drama? IT looks fab.)"

Yes, it is fab. Very silly - it is based on a legend - but well made and great fun.

Didn't think much of TWQ though. Elizabeth Woodville came across as a grown up Sansa Stark. And the woo element was embarrassing to watch.

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 18/06/2013 17:23

Really? I thought she had far more sexual awareness than Sansa (little that she has!) and far more control about what is going on around her (again, not a great deal of that either!)

whatwoulddexterdo · 18/06/2013 17:59

Did anyone notice how lovely Elizabeth's nails were?
Loved her night own, quite fancy one myself.
I find it strange that she has little interest in her sons.

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter · 18/06/2013 18:28

ShipwreckedAndComatose She has two children so I'd expect her to be more sexually aware, but she still came across as sappy. From what I know about history, I imagined the real Elizabeth to be far more sensible and shrewd; in this she seems a bit of a drip and quite immature.

To be fair though, I haven't read the book, so it's possible it's due to acting/direction, not that actual character was written that way.

slalomsuki · 18/06/2013 18:54

Just read the book so found it quite enjoyable if a little soap like. Some of the casting was good but the settings were not like I imagined.

Warwick wasn't as old as I thought nor his daughters quite as present as they seemed in the book

Will stick with it though

WhereMyMilk · 18/06/2013 19:27

Have read all three books this is based on:lady of the rivers; White queen and red queen-can't wait for next wk!

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 18/06/2013 19:35

I've read the books. I think that Elizabeth grows as a character through the book and that she is relying on her mother's superior experience of court life and intrigue in the early part of the book. her mum is much more high born than her dad. yes, she was married before but this is a whole different level.

However, I also think that Phillipa Gregory takes quite a lot of liberties in her writing! It's difficult to know what many of these real life people were actually thinking and feeling.. We can only guess.

noblegiraffe · 18/06/2013 19:43

I don't think the series covers the Lady of the Rivers, that all happened before this. It does include the Kingmakers Daughters so I guess we'll be seeing more of them.

hollyisalovelyname · 18/06/2013 23:34

Whatwoulddexterdo- i noticed her nails too. I thought it looked like she had nail polish on!!!

hattymattie · 19/06/2013 21:09

I'm also annoyed about the clash with Returned. There is nothing on TV Tuesday and Wednesday. However we streamed the White Queen so all good. Very enjoyable although have spent a lot of time since unravelling and researching the War of the Roses which does indeed seem more complicated than Game of Thrones.

OrangeFireandGoldashes · 19/06/2013 21:36

It was okay. Typical soapy Tudory history-lite, bit too clean and 'perfect' (very Merlinesque in that regard) and I'm obviously in the minority as I didn't find Max Irons convincing as Edward IV - he should be taller, blonder, more dazzling, more regal.

I'll stick with it as I love the period; I just have to keep reminding myself it's based on hysterical historical and not always hugely accurate fiction, not historical fact.

CMP69 · 20/06/2013 15:08

I loved it, but I love the whole York/Tudor period and Phillipa Gregory's books. Couldn't go wrong really Grin

susiedaisy · 20/06/2013 21:18

Just marking my place, loved the Tudors, the pillars of the earth etc so hoping I'm going to enjoy this as much.

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik · 20/06/2013 22:05

Marking my place. I enjoyed it.

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 23/06/2013 21:01

this did make me laugh!

Awizardsstaffhasaknobontheend · 23/06/2013 21:10

Ok, I love the books and a bit of historical trash is always great....but really can the BBC make a bit more effort please to keep to the period? Tudor rose badges for the queens coranation!? Not for another 20-30 years I think!

Awizardsstaffhasaknobontheend · 23/06/2013 21:10

*coronation!

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 23/06/2013 21:16

I know!

It's lax beyond belief

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik · 23/06/2013 21:17

Oh, I love it though.

I'm fidgeting until this week's episode comes up on iplayer.