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The White Queen

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ShadeofViolet · 16/06/2013 17:06

Anyone else ridiculously excited?

I know Philippa Gregory's books tend to be a bit Barbara Cartland in places, and I hope the BBC havent increased it, but I still cannot wait to watch it.

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courgetteDOTcom · 23/07/2013 14:38

It's easy to deduce from what we do know that it's a possibility.

diddl · 23/07/2013 15:42

I think it might be easy to deduce that she didn't want sex so as to avoid pregnancy.

Whether or not her husband would have gone along with it...

courgetteDOTcom · 23/07/2013 15:48

He did allow her to become a nun eventually.

deepfriedsage · 25/07/2013 14:39

I didn't realise Margaret lived to see Henry VIII take the throne. BBC2 program with PG was great to watch along The White Queen.

diddl · 25/07/2013 15:15

Yes I enjoyed the PG programme.

I guess you can't judge by our standards, can you?

Seems if you were rich & had an army, you could be King!!

And after Edward was dead, no one cared that his son wasn't crowned??-was that because of who his mum was?

Would Richard have killed his nephews on his wife's say so?

courgetteDOTcom · 25/07/2013 15:31

Prince Edward did become King, I guess he wouldn't have been crowned until he was older though and ready to take over duties from his uncle.

I think there's a lot of reasons given why Richard wouldn't have killed the boys, but then there doesn't seem to be a good suspect. If you've not read the books, how PG handled this part of the story was an interesting take...

diddl · 25/07/2013 15:48

Yes, of course, he was automatically King-although never crowned & I think Richard would have been making any decisions on his behalf anyway.

But then if Richard had managed to convince people that Edward iv's children were illegitimate, he didn't need to kill them as they weren't in his way.

Although I don't know if it was possible that that decision might ever have been reversed & they would have been a threat?

Although surely the fact that Elizabeth's brother & son who were escorting Edward were executed doesn't weigh in Richard's favour?

courgetteDOTcom · 25/07/2013 16:41

It couldn't be reversed without the King's say so, so not in Richard's lifetime meaning Edward wasn't a threat. It was eventually done by Henry VIII and all copies were destroyed so we don't even know the actual wording today.

Richard reigned as Lord Protector because Edward was too young, that would have been changed when Edward was eventually crowned, which obviously didn't happen.

LaVolcan · 25/07/2013 18:25

Even the programme about the 'real' white queen, was complicated to follow.

AgnesBligg · 26/07/2013 11:20

Yes I am confused by the PG docu too.

henry vii's claim to the throne of England seems mainly because his mother named him Henry.Shock

She says that Richard and Anne are a political marriage, not the love match suggested in the show.

She also believes in the Perkin Warbeck story (that he was the actual younger brother of the prince Edward in the Tower) suggesting that elizabeth woodville suspected dastardly doings of Richardiii.

That Richard did for the princes at Anne's prompting - no no no!

deepfriedsage · 26/07/2013 12:17

Perkin Warbeck.? Is this supposed to be the second son of Elizabeth and Edward?

courgetteDOTcom · 26/07/2013 12:47

Elizabeth voluntarily sent her youngest son to the tower. You could see it as proof she trusted Richard, but Philippa's suggestion is she sent her soon to France and sent another boy into the tower.

FriskyHenderson · 26/07/2013 13:38

I was confused by the documenting, but mainly because I was transfixed by PG's face. Was that botox?

diddl · 26/07/2013 13:58

Why would Elizabeth trust Richard?

He killed her brother & son who were escorting Edwardv!

TunipTheVegedude · 26/07/2013 14:02

She certainly does look like she's had work done.
She'll regret it, when someone invents a time machine and they won't let her go back to the 15th century in it because she'd freak them out!

deepfriedsage · 26/07/2013 14:07

I noticed that also. I thought boric and fillers, she had the pillow face look.

AgnesBligg · 26/07/2013 14:20

re: Warbeck I don't think anyone believes in that story. Apart from The Phillippa.

alemci · 26/07/2013 14:44

it wasn't that Richard who killed her brother and dad, I think it was Richard Neville, Earl of Warwick unless Richard 111 kills another of her brothers later in the story?

diddl · 26/07/2013 14:50

I thought that Richard killed/had killed one of her brothers & one of her sons(Grey), who were escorting EdwardV from Ludlow?

alemci · 26/07/2013 14:57

you may be right Didl. was that in the last episode or to come. so many people dying in this story.

Put it this way the name Richard wasn't her favourite

AgnesBligg · 26/07/2013 15:02

He killed Anthony Woodville, I didn't know about the Grey boy (Thomas?). I think Richard had some tip off about a Woodville/Lancastrian conspiracy against him?

diddl · 26/07/2013 15:33

Perhaps he was judging them by his standards then-that they'd kill a nephew/brother??!!

diddl · 26/07/2013 15:34

Sorry, that didn't really make sense.

Wonder why he would think they would support Lancaster against EdwardV-their (half) brother & nephew?

AgnesBligg · 26/07/2013 15:50

Not sure. There was certainly a lot of side swapping.

I don't think Richard was behind the princes disappearance. (or don't want to anyway).

diddl · 26/07/2013 16:06

Who do you think was?

If Richard didn't want to be King & was happy to "caretake" until Edward was old enough-it would make sense that it wasn't him.

Someone on his behalf who wanted him to be King?

Whoever wanted Henry Tudor to be King?

But then they also had to get Richard out of the way!

Maybe our mindset is just too different now to figure it out!!