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The Fall

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hollyisalovelyname · 13/05/2013 07:49

Watched it last night. Tis good, but disturbing. Gillian Anderson very good. Jamie Dornan scary. Anyone else see it?

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DelphiSwimsLate · 11/06/2013 22:33

Sole, it was just the look on her face when she was talking to him about the attacks - she seemed to deploy an 'I am thinking of something deep in my past' look. I accept I may have totally mis read it though.

So true about the CCTV and seeing his daughter! Ooh that's annoyed me now.

I don't know why I'm getting so cross about the whole thing tbh. I think because friends recommended it, so I dutifully watched them all in one go on iplayer and I just really really wanted it to amaze me. I'm not saying it was bad at all, maybe just I built it up too much.

DelphiSwimsLate · 11/06/2013 22:35

maybe I just built it up too much.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 11/06/2013 22:38

ach, Euphemia... you know i was using it as an example of why i felt she was a constructed mansplanation rather than a convincingly real character. then hotair said they did find her relatable (although it sounded like she might have represented an aspirational figure) and so we briefly discussed that. no one has said that the sole marker of a good character is whether we know people like that, but it does help if we can find aspects of their behaviour that we can understand.

admit it, you're targeting me specifically here. we just disagree about pretty much everything regarding Alan Cubitt's ability to draw character. I'm fine with that, let's not get pissy about it.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 11/06/2013 22:40

yyy re the cctv btw, i really thought that was how they would get to him. are we supposed to think that the NI force is tremendously incompetent, do you think? i mean you've got that first policeman asking if a cat could take a vibrator and a full set of lingerie out of a knicker drawer, for starters.

EuphemiaLennox · 11/06/2013 22:50

I'm not 'targetting' you. Hmm

I was just addressing a point made which I didn't think had validity.

Actually my previous posts criticise the JD characters portrayal, and explain why, and I've criticised the plot in places. Although I've allowed maybe more leeway on this than some. So we probably do agree on some points.

Unsure why you think I'm disagreeing to get at you?? Very weird.

DelphiSwimsLate · 11/06/2013 22:51

I don't know Aitch. I do just get this 'incomplete' feeling about quite a lot of it. Maybe I'm meant to so I'll watch series 2! But the feeling is verging too much on 'meh' atm probably because of the plot holes. But I definitely agree with whoever said that it is a drama and they need to move it on somehow.

Maybe there will be something later on that makes something of the polices role - the cat comment, or that they were there when Sarah Kay was being murdered, will come to light. Don't know.

DelphiSwimsLate · 11/06/2013 22:53

Ahh it was Euphemia who said about having to move on the plot somehow - yes I agree with that, despite my annoyance at all the gaps!

DelphiSwimsLate · 11/06/2013 22:56

Well, if anything it's certainly got us all talking about it! Grin

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 11/06/2013 22:59

or they could just move the plot forward without leaving gaps, like how the good writers do it. Wink

let's you and me leave it now, i think Euphemia. once someone gets to the stage of writing 'Very weird' etc, it's kind of gone tits up i think. it's all there to be read.

DelphiSwimsLate · 11/06/2013 23:05

Yes this is true Aitch and I suspect it's the lack of this is why I'm left with the annoying feeling about it!

EuphemiaLennox · 11/06/2013 23:11

Err, I was unaware there was anything between us until you accused me of targeting you. Which I do find weird.

I was just discussing the programme, expressing my views and countering views I disagreed with. You know, like I thought the general idea of the thread was.

DelphiSwimsLate · 11/06/2013 23:18

Sorry. I meant to address SoTired earlier, not Sole.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 11/06/2013 23:18

oh well, then, that's great. your point was asked and answered then, i think.
will repost for clarity.
"i was using it as an example of why i felt she was a constructed mansplanation rather than a convincingly real character. then hotair said they did find her relatable (although it sounded like she might have represented an aspirational figure) and so we briefly discussed that. no one has said that the sole marker of a good character is whether we know people like that, but it does help if we can find aspects of their behaviour that we can understand."

EuphemiaLennox · 11/06/2013 23:19

I think nearly all dramas of this type of holes.

I think someof the plot holes on here aren't holes and can be explained.

But there are some which seem annoyingly glaring, and the thing is once you've noticed them they eat away at you and make you want to shout at the telly.

I also think a cumulative effect of plot holes builds until you just can't tolerate any more.

Interestingly different plot hole seem to annoy different people.
For me the JDs at home character just didn't work and that just seemed a huge oversight. Everyone was responding to him in a way which didn't fit with the way he presented.

The killer/detective unique bond pissed me off. Him calling hervandnem understanding each other, made me go 'pah, same old same old.'
Some other things didn't bother me so much.

DelphiSwimsLate · 11/06/2013 23:27

Yes, I think you're right different things annoy different people.
Honestly though, the packing thing really got to me! Wonder what that says about me??!

NotQuitePerfect · 12/06/2013 08:51

Small, shallow point :- she's a midwife, he's a grief counsellor.

How do they afford that lovely big family house & enormous car?

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hollyisalovelyname · 12/06/2013 09:04

Aitch with your inside knowledge any chance you could find put where GA's silk blouses came from please.

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ifancyashandy · 12/06/2013 09:41

I have it on good authority that they shopped at Etro and Equipment for her blouses.

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hollyisalovelyname · 12/06/2013 09:58

Thank you

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Pfaffer · 12/06/2013 10:09

I think Belfast is cheap?

Massive plot holes revisited: he doesn't seem to work much, does he? And that scene where he mirrored the speech of his bosses as they tried to get to the bottom of his behaviour...whoa there.
Everyone knows that a person with a full-time job, two children, a partner on shifts, a house to run etc has no bloody spare time. Yet he seems to be pretty footloose during the day, when he's not lying about his volunteer work at night.

ImperialBlether · 12/06/2013 10:19

Yet another thing that didn't make sense was that he told his wife that he'd been having an affair with the babysitter, that he hadn't been doing his Samaritans type all night work for three months because of this affair. Oh and please give me an alibi. The girl was 15! Was his wife really meant to think that he'd been spending every night, all night, with this schoolgirl? What about her parents? It just didn't make any sense at all.

Pfaffer · 12/06/2013 10:26

Yes that smacked to me of a man writing it and not realising that an affair with a 15-year-old girl wouldn't be a bit of a naughty aberration on his part, it's be a pretty fucking major trauma for the wife as her husband would be a borderline child abusing monster on top of his infidelity and betrayal, at least until she'd processed it a bit, I think. It was really tone-deaf, wasn't it? Bad writing. Bad attitude.

wigglesrock · 12/06/2013 11:28

I got the impression he was just doing a few shifts at night every month - not every night.

I thought his wife was a nurse, not a midwife.

EuphemiaLennox · 12/06/2013 11:53

I think the wifes reaction could be understandable,, lots of women seem to react with an ignore carry on and hope for the best attitude initally after an affair, IF it hadn't been with a 15yr old girl. Then that just couldn't be ignored.

The wife wanted to call the girl, something shed probably have gone on to do. And then realised even if she's going to forgive him, the girl is likely to tell someone and there's going to be a whole shit storm around them. Maybe that will come next series? Wife leaving in fear of affair coming out, or confronts girl, or knawed at by fury and fear as she comes to resent loathe and suspect him more and more.

If that babysitter affair plot line just fizzles out that'll be ridiculous, something like that would have far reaching repercussions.

I don't think though that most men view shagging 15yr olds as 'naughty aberrations' most right thinking men, which is most of them, are well aware of the implications, legally and morally, of sex with underage girls.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 12/06/2013 12:12

i dunno, i think the fact that it was a sexy strumpette babysitter is such a real-life cliche that i could imagine if the wife was in denial mode she could dismiss it. but then she did actually say that it was child abuse, didn't she? which was strong stuff, it seemed to me, for her to say, and then immediately dismiss.
if anything, i thought given her passivity to all the weirdnesses in her house, it was out of character for her to say that it was child abuse. that seemed tacked-on.