Broadchurch finale. Roll up, Roll up.

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Eyes down for a full house on Monday.

Hopefully we can combine both threads.

In advance, why don't we each post ONE theory, then we can all gloat afterwards about how clever we are

I'm not sure what 'twist' people wanted to be honest.

We knew it would be someone in the village. If they had brought in a random in the last episode people would have shouted 'rubbish'!

I too enjoyed the fact that the reveal was so early and then the aftermath could be properly explored. It was refreshing. I also quite liked the fact that the murder wasn't some crazy psychopathic serial killer - but a clearly disturbed man who had a side to him that even he didn't seem to understand. A 'fumbled' unintentional murder. You don't often get that in great drama.

I think whatever the ending was, a lot of people would have shouted 'rubbish' or 'rushed' or 'implausible'

I'm just waiting for the Internet fury when we actually find out how Sherlock Holmes survived jumping off St Bart's hospital, because no matter what the truth is - people will shout 'disappointed!'

Ooh when does that come back??

I think when Beth asked Ellie 'how could you not know?' it was implicit that she was asking that question of herself as well.

I was a bit disappointed by the ending- but the acting was fantastic. One loose end I would really like to understand is why on earth PQ picked up the skateboard. Did she think she was covering for Nige? And the row with the postman.
Now a massive broadchurch shaped hole in my life.

Yellow, I have no idea. They've only just started filming! Sherlock exists by starving its audience

DT back on tv Thursday evening in "the politicians husband"

I don't think dT and oc will be in next one

I thought DT was just trying to make it easier for Ellie.

No point in telling her she's wrong.

The questions about whether he gave Danny gifts of money were very pointed. To all intents & purposes this was grooming and everyone knew where it would lead, but Ellie needed some straw to cling to.

The bit where DT had to tell OC gave me goosebumps and made me cry.

The next series had better have them both in it. Their screen chemistry was awesome. I loved the way she called him out on being a grumpy twat all the time. They were both outstanding.

OC is my new girl crush...

Somewhere and harryhausen - I agree with you.

Yes, Broadchurch was a whodunnit, but it didn't really stick to the typical genre. The reveal was too early, there was no huge twist, the loose ends weren't tied up properly .... and I actually liked it better for that. It meant that the focus was much more on the community and the effect that the murder had on it. And I love the fact that, this morning, I'm still thinking about those loose ends and wondering if they do indeed have any significance. If they were all tied up at the end, I'd just be thinking 'well, that's that then'!

Bring on series 2 - can't wait to see which characters come back and how the plotline will develop. Perhaps some of those loose ends will rematerialise: Is Nige a psycho after all? Is his mother not much better?? (she wasn't very nice to the newspaper editor, was she?), who was the 'postman'? And what is the psychic's story?!

Ooh - bring it on ....

The scenes with OC and DT were great. He asked her down to the beach to warn her of his suspicions, didn't he? Then she was called away.

And in the station when he told Nige & the solicitors to leave and called her Ellie. "Don't call me Ellie" - after her asking him to before. And moving round to sit beside her, very well done.

I thought the whole series was fantastic. Last night's acting from DT and OC was amazing. I loved their one-to-one scenes as well.

As regards the abuse and Joe being in love with Danny, I thought it was very thought provoking to compare with the couples Mark/Beth (he was older, she was underage), the daughter/boyfriend, then Jack and his student/wife - all have justified their relationships and it seems to be very much the age of the child in comparison which suggested whether one was a paedophile or not - as it came over to me. Jack had said it was love as well and he was 40, she 15. I thought the comparison was very disturbing and thought provoking.

Galaxy - I hadn't thought of that. Oooh - more to think about ...

The ending would've been good if they hadn't signposted it so blatantly in the peunultimate episode. Then I would've thought - that was brilliant. I just thought the ending was pants. OC was fabulous but they could've had all that emotion and a better reveal.

Yes, Galaxy, I thought it was very thought provoking, too. Joe minimized what had happened (which is just what he would do), but the £500 told otherwise.

I think the reveal should have happened slightly further into the episode, and a bit less bonfire lighting at the end. But brilliant the way the effect on the community was shown.

So SOCO missed blood up at the cliffs near the hut.

We don't know how Joe had a set of keys for the hut, when we were told only the owner and Susan had a set - and Joe would have no reason for having a set.

Joe obviously had parked his car near the hut but it was out of sight of the car park. Surely then there would have been tyre marks on the grass, which SOCO also missed?

Don't get me wrong, I loved the acting and most of the writing - but The Killing 1 (Danish) to which it has been compared did have real clues as to the killer's identity right from ep 1, and that was sorely lacking here.

And I'm still irked that I called the sleeping pill get-out clause; really wish I had been wrong on that one.

Just wanted to add that I thought Jodie Whittaker's acting was amazing too. Her and OC absolutely made the series for me, both utterly believable and heart-wrenching. Outstanding performances from both.

They were great
I thought all the acting was pretty amazing
I wasn't so swayed by Rory as a vicar but it's more that he seemed too aloof for a vicar.

I thought the two cars were the Dad's (Mark) and the hotel woman's - that they had taken one car off somewhere together and at the point where they got back to the hut they had already done the shagging and were saying goodbye. he was dropping her back off at her car. Joe and Danny had made it to the hut on foot.

but why oh why would an 11 year old boy be waking himself up in the small hours to meet up with a man three times his age that he really didn't want to be with? They were new best friends but it doesn't make any sense to me that Danny would go all that way, that late, to meet up with Joe when his heart clearly wasn't into it.

itc was too long winded for me

DF but Joe got the plastic bags etc from the boot of his own car, did he not, so it must have been parked nearby? Unless he possessed a super magic key that unlocks every door (hut/someone else's car) or Mark's car was unlocked and happily had a supply of plastic bags in the boot that no-one missed the next day?!
The two cars in the car park were Becca's and Mark's, so if Joe did have his car there it must have been parked out of sight, which would have meant driving over the grass... that's what I'm getting at..

I thought the post mortem showed that Danny had been strangled by someone taller than him, and yet in the flashback Joe was shown holding Danny up above him.

Why did PQ deliberately get the skateboard given to Ellie and HOe? Was it intended as a clue to Ellie, as she presumed, wrongly, that it would have Nige's prints on it?

Wouldn't Joe know, as a former paramedic and DH of a detective, that it would be completely obvious that Danny had been strangled and not fallen from a great high cliff?

I agree about him going to meet Joe made no sense.

And if he didn't want to see him anymore-why not just avoid?

And it had been going on a year??

Because he was a little kid, and Joe probably told him/asked him/begged him to come, and so he did because Joe was a grown up.

Also presumably because Danny was a bit lonely and needed someone to trust after his dad hit him.

"DF but Joe got the plastic bags etc from the boot of his own car, did he not,"

ah fair point.

I still don't get why he argues with Tom over it all, broke friends with him etc.