16 kids and counting tonight at 9

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I will be watching after I have done some work!

Its no surprise your woman thinks its a doddle having 11 children, she doesn't seem to do very much for them! The house is a tip and there are nearly naked babies eating pizza off the floor!

I know Amanda (the Sunderland mum) and she really is the kindest hearted loving lady. I know she isn't happy with the edit and they way they have been portrayed. I think it's a lesson to take these programmes with a pinch of salt.

What is she unhappy about Batcave?

The pizza scene was set up by the film crew who badgered her and badgered her to do it. They deliberately picked scenes that made the house look untidy, kids eating junk her partying, etc and missed out a whole load of lovely stuff like outings home cooked meals etc. The pub thing and eating out was exaggerated too. The final edit that she was previewed wasn't what was actually shown I believe.

It stands to reason that its edited in a certain way to give a POV, but she did say direct to camera that they eat out several times a week and buy takeaways as well, talking about how much they spent on such things. So either she said that of her own accord, or she said lies they told her to. Either way, she must have known the impression they were going for.

there will always be editing but

they do/did the stuff in the first place to be able to edit

ie all eat pizza and just let the babies gnaw at it while on the floor - havnt they got a table and chairs - pizza with say peppers/toms/cucumber isnt a bad meal every now and again

buying new socks at £2.50 for 5 and never washing is insane - white socks never stay white, then dont buy white siocks unless must be white for school

and bleach them if go a grey colour

spitting was disgusting and dad didnt seem bothered

felt sorry for the landlord

and yes seems all of the older chilren say they dont want a large family, but some are also pregnant at 18ish -do they just want a baby of their own to look after rather then look after their siblings?

To be fair, the Sunderland mum did say they spent £250 a month (I think) on take away. If it was almost £25 for one meal that's only (!) ten a month - hardly takeaway every night!

Every three nights then - 2.5times a week roughly if 10times a month

I got the impression that not all the sunderland family's children still lived at home, the age range i think was 26 down to 1 year, when they ordered the pizza there certainly weren't 12 children and 2 adults there.

I really liked the Dundee family and thought it was so sad her that she'd been forced to give up her baby at 16.

the older ones in the scottish family didnt say they didnt want anymore babies,in fact,iirc,sock lady is the first oe where the kids have said no more-at least in such a direct way.

Just watching it now and I'm speechless at the Sunderland family that eat out and have takeaways so often, good lord !!!

Watched it this morning.

When the voice over was telling us what they earn ( works as x and get £x in child benefit), why are they missing out family tax credits? They can't be both over the threshold, especially the Sunderland family.

I liked the Dundee family, they seem very grounded, but was not impressed with the spitting. Parents do seem very calm with it all.

people keep mentioning the spitting,what do you expect him to do?He told him no and moved his face away,my son went through a short phrase of doing that,although im guessing he was younger than that boy,and i used to say no,spitting is dirty and not kind, in a firm voice, and move him away from me,theres not much you can do,short of taping their mouth shut!

Haha I don't think I am Wonder Woman it's very hard. but I doubt how severe her arthritis was if she can iron for four hours a day also the way she emptied the washing machine with ease.
Of course there will be people who need to give up work to care for a disabled spouse and dc's but I just don't buy it with that family.

I really liked both the families from this week.

The mum from Sunderland seemed lovely, yes the socks aspect might be a bit unnecessary but its her money, maybe she prefers to spend money on that than on other luxuries, same with eating out. She may keep other costs low and it didn't say how much extra she spends on food for when they don't eat out. The other family spent £230 and that apparently wouldn't last a week so probably more like £250 meaning around £1000 per month. £480 on takeaways and eating out, covering the majority of the most expensive meals (dinner or lunch), even if you take into consideration she has less children, she still has £4-500 to spend to exceed the other families costs. Good luck to her if she can being all that eating out in on budget.

I'm quite confused about the pearl clutching regarding 'nearly naked babies eating pizza off the floor'. They were sitting on the floor they weren't peeling scraps of the carpet. Plus at that age what is wrong with being in just a nappy? We have a large family and when there are extra children dinner is quite often served sitting on the floor there is no room at the table.

Other family seemed nice, spitting wasn't great but they seem to have raised multiple other children who aren't spitting so I don't imagine they need too much help with it. Looks like next week they talk about struggling with bad behaviour.

I wondered if they'd do more on behaviour, as there was a scene when one of the mormon children said they hadn't eaten out in 6 years. I was thinking it was probably because of cost but then she said it was because of x and y, naming two of the boys, but this wasn't followed up (other than that one of them had been shown spitting).

I can also see how this show has things massaged for effect, kind of, so it's really interesting that the pizza eating was a bit staged. They seem to pair the families very carefully, so this week we have one going to their favourite place, the pub over the road, while the other goes to the church over the road. One eats out a lot, one hasn't eaten out for 6 years.

the thing that saddened me most was that I noticed the Salim children didn't get ready for bed... they just slept in the clothes they wore the day before...

I remember getting teased at that age.... those poor children

i must admit i did wonder how the Sunderland mum afforded to buy the takeaways and eat at the pub so frequently. what was the dad's job. also the sock thing. wasteful.

Did like both the families overall.

Just my two penn'eth FWIW...

Radfords - seem lovely if bonkers (ironing? with 16 kids... really??), although some of the things the younger ones said were quite telling.

Salims - just horrible, that poor woman obviously expected so much more from life. Mr Salim is an idiot. I remember seeing them on TV a few years ago after their youngest was born and his attitude was awful. The midwive pretty much ordered him not to have any more for the sake of his wife's health and he poo-poohed her. I shall never forget him bursting into the bedroom, camera crew in tow, while his wife was clearly trying to hide from the chaos, in tears, face buried in the new baby.

Sullivans - something very Duggarish about them. Isolated kids, strict religion, homeschooling etc. (Obviously nowt worng with homeschooling but it seems they're using it as a way of keeping their kids away from others). Saw them on TV last year and they mentioned not believing in contraception - I was surpised more wasn't made of that this time, i.e. they're not choosing to have so many children as such, they're 'leaving it up to God'. RE: breastfeeding comments upthread, I wouldn't be surprised if Ma Sullivan was bottle-feeding expressed milk on the show - just looking at the way they dress I suspect modesty plays a big part (this is purely speculation on my part), and that might preclude her from breastfeeding on TV.

Quite liked the Lewises, again saw them on a previous prog and I remember Dad coming down the stairs after trying to get everyone ready to leave with an armful of confiscated hair-straighteners . Poor Chantelle though, she must've been terrified when her DD was born amidst all that drama.

Hanns - seemed nice enough although it's a pretty mad view on life to think that having another baby will 'get you back to normal' but to each their own I suppose. I wonder if Posy's worked out breastfeeding gives her time with mum she might not otherwise have...?

Haven't much to say about the others, here endeth the ramble!

I went to school with the Hann fathers younger siblings. There was lots of them too. All nice kids to be honest. Never spat at me once!

To those saying what should he have done when his son was spitting in his face. If my dd spat I would have gone mad at her, she would have been sat on the floor on time out and had to apologise. She has never done it but I would definitely have a zero tolerance approach to that.

He should have picked him up, firmly said, 'do not spit at me' and sat him on the floor facing a wall. The little boy thought it was a massive joke and the dad nothing about it.

The one thing I noticed this week was the Hanns children saying they didn't mind more children and they had more love to give. They are the first ones I've noticed not saying anything negative about having lots of siblings or wishing their parents would stop.

With regard to money most of the families shown have older children so perhaps they are contributing too? I know my siblings and I had to pay keep to our mum once we were working.

anyone watching tonight?think its the last one.

I saw it yesterday.

looking back at previous comments, both my dc's spit at me every so often. They get bollocked for it, they know they shouldn't do it ....... they do it again a few weeks later. And repeat. They'll grow out of it I hope.