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Homeland - Season 2 Finale, the Final Thread

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Fiderer · 19/12/2012 16:04

The other one's nearly full, so here we go with Carrie & Brody, St Saul of Snacks and our theories of What Happens Now.

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gypsyfloss · 25/12/2012 11:30

BOF I am going to rewatch it tonight especially to check out the that key scene Grin
Brody most definitely did know that something was going to happen. His comment about the car was off and she knew it too .

petshopgirls · 25/12/2012 20:49

In the key scene, Brody has the keys in his hand, walks up to a soldier and whilst he isn't shown handing them over, afterwards he does not have the keys in his hand. It doesn't necessarily mean anything as maybe he put them in his pocket unseen.

difficultpickle · 25/12/2012 22:17

I think he handed over the keys as he didn't seem to make any arm movement to put them into his pocket. He would have had to do it at the exact time same time as he shook the soldier's hand and patted him on the arm.

cornystollenslave · 26/12/2012 00:23

I think that the vice president's, his wife's and Finn's attitude to the car accident (and their unwillingness to help Dana address it ) would have renewed Brody's antipathy for them.
He really relished the Vice President's death - he still considered him to be a war criminal.
He was more worried about being caught than the effect that his actions would have when he sent the code for the pace maker.

ImperialBlether · 26/12/2012 18:44

I'm glad I've found this!

We're not assuming that the people who put the bomb in his car had his own set of keys, are we? It would have been planned since the death of the VP a few days before - whoever planted the bomb knew Brody would be going to the memorial. It's relatively easy to get keys for any car.

I think there's more to Saul than meets the eye. There's more to Quinn than meets the eye, too. Why didn't he kill Brody in the woods? He saw him praying - has Quinn spent time in Iraq too? Is he meant to be Moslem, too?

I notice Brody doesn't abide by any other Moslem rules - he eats whatever he wants and he drinks alcohol. Having a prayer mat doesn't make you religious, Brody!

I thought it was very odd that they both stepped away from the service. Surely that would be noticed, particularly as Brody was the VP's running mate? It would be seen as very disrespectful. It would have made more sense if they'd stepped away from a party afterwards.

One thing nobody's mentioned here though is that they could have both been tracked by their phones. It's hard to believe Carrie's car wasn't tracked, too. If their phones were tracked, it could be seen they were together.

Did anyone else notice that Carrie just said "Oh go up there, the hut/house is about 20 miles away" and pointed Brody in the direction of a pitch black field? He didn't seem bothered by this, either!

gypsyfloss · 26/12/2012 21:04

Ok so just watched the last one again. The keys were just pocketed by Brody out of shot I reckon but he most definitely did know something was going to happen.
Saul suggested to Carrie that she would be the youngest station chief before Estes died ; this time it seemed to hint at his knowing that something was going to happen to Estes.
Saul's face at the end could be happy that Carrie is alive or as my DH pointed out ( having only ever watched this one with me) could be "bollocks she's alive " Grin .

VicarInaTutuDrankSantasSherry · 27/12/2012 00:58

and i reckon its saul.....

you just watch. i hate to say this cos i love saul but i reckon he is going to be key in the next series.....

gypsyfloss · 27/12/2012 08:37

Yep Vicar , watching a second time around made Saul look less like a cuddly purveyor of snacks and more like a man with an evil plan hidden behind that beard and those specs.

northender · 27/12/2012 08:47

Them leaving the memorial was bizarre. It appeared to be a very formal occasion but the 2 of them just walked out, no questions asked??? Of course now no witnesses to it alive. I've given up trying to speculateGrin

gypsyfloss · 27/12/2012 10:12

I agree, especially as someone pointed out earlier he was the VP's running mate. In fact I was surprised that he wasn't expected to make a speech. Perhaps he really didn't give a fuck as he knew no-one would be around to question him about it.
Watching it again also highlighted his desperate need to keep Carrie onside to facilitate his escape. Al his interactions with her seemed so insincere to me.

HalleLouja · 27/12/2012 11:44

But he wasn't as twitchy as he was first time round. Maybe that is due to experience rather than the fact he is innocent.

HalleLouja · 27/12/2012 11:46

He being Brody.

He did seem distracted before the bomb though and had told Jessica about Carrie.

gypsyfloss · 27/12/2012 12:03

And told Dana the truth about the bomb vest , as if he knew that if he survived his reputation would be mud after the bomb.

MulledPinot · 27/12/2012 14:23

It was Quinn.

BOFingSanta · 27/12/2012 15:05

I think it was either Brodie conspiring with Abu Nazir, or Nazir's lot stitching him up after copying his car keys when he got picked up in the helicopter. They could have stuffed it with explosives then too, although I think it's a bit of a stretch to not have all vehicles checked by sniffer dogs at a major service in CIA headquarters.

There's a possibility that Quinn and Dar Adul are playing a part for their own agenda, I will concede- maybe they wanted rid of Estes and other key personnel? I'm not especially convinced by that though. I think that it is more believable that it was exactly as we were shown: Quinn couldn't shoot because it would destroy Carrie, and he knew it was operationally unnecessary.

Saul is good. It would be majorly dishonest of the writers to have it otherwise, akin to Bobby Ewing in the shower, or the Colby spaceship. I just think they are better than that.

gypsyfloss · 27/12/2012 17:52

But why is Saul good BOF? If he is being portrayed as the moral compass he is being painted with very broad strokes when all the other characters are so complex. He just seems to me to be so obviously ' good Saul'. But then these are the script writers who brought us Mike , who has as much depth as a flan tin ...

BOFingSanta · 27/12/2012 18:15

I think he is a LOT more complex than Mike Xmas Grin. We see his love for Carrie, for his wife, his commitment to intelligence work, his sadness at losing his wife. Dar Adul tells us he has always thought he was too soft because he won't transgress the bounds of morality in his work. We know he was disgusted by the drone strokes and the plan to assassinate Brodie. He showed kindness and compassion to the woman who ended up killing herself; he prays for the souls of the dead. In Hebrew. Alone. Why would he do that if he was a Jihadi infiltrator? Where is he supposed to have developed the passion to destroy his compatriots? Brodie had eight years in captivity to melt his brain: Saul has spent his entire career as an analyst in the CIA, and they aren't noted for their sympathy to radical Islam.

And there's the beard: full and Santa-like; not an overly trimmed or creepy goatee.

It all points to his integrity.

onedev · 27/12/2012 18:55

Great synopsis Bof Grin

cocolepew · 27/12/2012 19:06

Never trust a man with a full beard.

gypsyfloss · 27/12/2012 19:08

Excellent synopsis :) especially the beard part. I agree that we see all these things but I still think there's more to him that meets the eye. I don't think he is an Islamic jihadist but I do think there's another agenda that fires him. Maybe that is truth and fairness etc or maybe it is linked to his Jewish heritage.

I can't believe I have given so much thought to a tv series Grin Now if I can show as much dedication to next term's reading and essays I should be in with a chance for a decent degree :)

diddl · 28/12/2012 08:14

So was it Brody???

And he couldn´t bear for Carrie to die?

But he can pretend to Carrie it was Nazir because it´s the "old recording".

Well, & if it was him he wouldn´t heve released the recording?

So will series 3 be another "is Brody bad or good"?

Hassled · 28/12/2012 08:19

Oh yes, I think season 3 will be entirely about whether Brodie is bad or good - I for one have no idea anymore. Still convinced that Quinn didn't not shoot Brodie out of the kindness of his heart - it was the praying, or something, that changed his mind.

And BOF - you are entirely right about Saul. He is a good, moral man - and provides a clear yardstick against which we can measure Estes, Quinn, even Carrie's behaviour. That's the only thing I'm sure of anymore.

coffeeinbed · 28/12/2012 08:38

If it was Brody then why didn't Abu Nazir make a new recording when Brody was with him? They had time to to it.
Why did they use the old one?

diddl · 28/12/2012 09:01

Well he didn´t need to!

He´s got Brody either way!

Good twist as it leaves it open to doubt.

keepmoving · 28/12/2012 13:24

I have lurked on this thread (and the previous one) for the the whole series and want to say thank you to the regular contributors - I think I have enjoyed it as much as the actual series itself.

You have made my Monday morning commute! Thanks