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Trouble on the estate.

82 replies

Jellykat · 11/09/2012 21:03

Anyone watching?

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Jellykat · 11/09/2012 22:03

Well that was thoroughly depressing, no solutions volunteered, just an entire programme saying this is horrible and ending.

I have friends on council estates, and as others have said, not all are like that.

Hiya Sole!

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DottyWottyDooDah · 11/09/2012 22:05

Quite, what was the point?

PerfectStranger74 · 11/09/2012 22:08

What a tip! Did they not know the cameras were coming round??!?!
They could have tidied up a bit!!

crackcrackcrak · 11/09/2012 22:09

i bet they were pleased they found olwen. she is not representative of people on benefits by any stretch but i do recognise her attitude. i have a small number of service users who have the answer for everything as to why they cant' work (actually the truth is more like because they would be quite hopeless at most jobs) and you cannot convince them otherwise. god i sound like a tory :(

GeorginaWorsley · 11/09/2012 22:09

Awful place to ;live.
Terrible poverty of aspiration.
Had to smile at the man who said he thought he was growing tomato plants though!!

tittytittyhanghang · 11/09/2012 22:12

If anything it highlights a problem. I cant think of any solutions that would likely work so wouldn't expect a tv program to neither. I wouldn't even know where to start with Olwen, she is utterly feckless.

LST · 11/09/2012 22:14

I felt sorry for her poor little boy Sad

I live on a council estate. I love it. People like the ones shown do exist where I live but they are few and far between.

I just feel so sorry for the children growing up there Sad

TunaPastaBake · 11/09/2012 22:15

Shameless.

crackcrackcrak · 11/09/2012 22:17

god i hope her lea dont allow her to home school that poor kid

legoballoon · 11/09/2012 22:20

Olwen is getting a bashing here, and does herself no favours by shuddering at the thought of going for a job interview - but let's be fair, she's probably only going to be offered a couple of hours on minimum wage doing something menial, repetitive and tiring. She clearly has a drug and drink problem (glugging the wine out of pint glass), suffers from depression, has no self esteem, poor general health /weight problems. The kids' father/s is/are nowhere to be seen, and the house has been improved, but doors still hanging off hinges etc, large areas totally neglected. Easy enough to slag her off, but until you've walked a mile in her shoes etc.

It is good to see real life families getting an airing on the telly. Too much Downton-bloody-Abbey and celebrity panel shows. Like someone said, shame working single parents weren't covered in this, but they did include the chap with 2 cleaning jobs earning less than he could have taken home on benefits, and he and his wife were more aspirational for their own kids.

Personally I think it's hard to blame someone for not taking a part time menial job at minimum wage level - it's not necessarily an argument for withdrawing benefits, but definitely a strong argument for giving people a living wage.

Inneedofbrandy · 11/09/2012 22:24

This is the estate shameless is based on.

tittytittyhanghang · 11/09/2012 22:25

Personally I think it's hard to blame someone for not taking a part time menial job at minimum wage level

No its not. If you can work, then you should work. Mostly everyone i know works in menial mw jobs with shitty hours. And if you have kids then you are always going to be slightly better off working than not.

TunaPastaBake · 11/09/2012 22:25

Olwen gets a lot of help from benefits and housing services etc she needs to help her self. There is only so much others can do.
Sorry I have no sympathy.

Jellykat · 11/09/2012 22:26

We all know the Olwens exist, they're constantly on Jeremy Kyle apparently, but why oh why do these programmes always always pick the worst types of Lone parents as an example for the mass public?

The school that was featured for those that had been previously excluded looked good, the head was amazing. Hopefully her son will have to go there, ccc

I agree lego they did say the area had the lowest paid jobs in the country.

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tittytittyhanghang · 11/09/2012 22:29

But they cant be any lower than minimum wage? And plenty other families survive on mw jobs.

Nancy66 · 11/09/2012 22:29

was glad to see that jordan was going to college although sorry he's back home - if his mum isn't on crystal meth I'll eat my hat

Throughgrittedteeth · 11/09/2012 22:30

I work in a job that pays minimum wage and frankly I just bloody get on with it. Yes its crap and although its not cleaning toilets, its not what I want to do. I know its not forever though and as an adult who makes adult decision I can see that regardless of the job, you should just take it and set an example to your children of what society is suppose to be like.
No excuse and no patience for Olwen or similar characters, from the bottom of her soul she is a scrounger.

Chippychop · 11/09/2012 22:32

It's easy to forget that these places and people exist. How can we help them or at least the little kids who have lost their innocence at 10? Can you imagine how awful Xmas is for them?

TunaPastaBake · 11/09/2012 22:38

Sadly the children don't know any different. Sad

kissingtoads · 11/09/2012 22:40

Agree with legoballoon. Well said.

crackcrackcrak · 11/09/2012 22:43

it vexed me that olwen refused to believe her son was to blame for being excluded from school and seemed to think he was set up etc. i come across this alot - how can you expect your children to accept authority when you don't?

Inneedofbrandy · 11/09/2012 22:49

I really dislike programs like these. What actual entertainment or use are they, it's like laugh at the underclass. All the naice type of mummy's ooh they should get a job what waste's of space they are, what scroungers.

My heart was breaking over the little boy wanting to see his useless dad. Olwen wasn't that bad compared to people I know. Just a shame her sons going to grow up and get on benefits get a girl up the duff and she'l end up like his mother.

Yes you can all jabber on about scroungers ect but benefits and living hand to mouth is a hard thing to do day in and day out and the cycle just continues.

That working family sounded like bollocks to me, a £100 pw and they don't claim any tax credits housing benefit ect utter bollocks!

tittytittyhanghang · 11/09/2012 23:16

INOB, nobody said that living on benefits was easy, but it's doable, and not an excuse for letting your kids run riot. I've been there, at one point i was getting £35 a week in my hand because the dole/tax credits had fucked up. And me and my toddler son managed to survive for 8 weeks on that till they got it sorted out. And all my time unemployed I kept my flat nice and my son well cared for. But then i wasnt smoking 20 a day or drinking a bottle of wine every night and i exercised a little common sense.

I thought the working family were claiming tax credits. They said so themselves.

Inneedofbrandy · 12/09/2012 07:26

I didn't say it was an excuse for not parenting, just laughing at them like there in the circus, doesn't exactly help break the cycle. It's not just Them being on benefits it's their way of life, and their children will end up the same.

I've been on income support to, and yes because I don't smoke don't drink/ drugs and have the life skills to budget/ cook/ clean I was doing ok, I've also survived just on child benefit with 2 children while tax credits income support was worked out. Doesn't mean I can't look at their situation logically and say well I've done it they must to.

I missed any bit when they were talking about tax credits. I saw the we o ly have a 100 pw and still have to pay bills.

CouthyMowWearingOrange · 12/09/2012 08:01

They did say that his £100 a week was doubled by Tax Credits to £200, but that has to pay their rent and Council Tax, as well as feed them and their two DC's.

Have you any idea how hard it is to put electric and gas on the meter, feed your DC's, and pay all your bills on £200 a week?

No insurance on anything, as you can't afford it, so if you get burgled or have a house fire, you have lost everything, if your major appliances break, you can't afford to replace them without doorstep loans with 400% interest.

It's one thing doing that, with no going out, no fripperies in life, nothing other than brutal survival, for a few weeks. It's another thing entirely doing it for your whole life, from cradle to grave.

It's the utter hopelessness of the situation, knowing there's no FT jobs AT ALL that might actually go some way to supporting your family with help from Tax Credits, only MW PT jobs that are, at best, a way of keeping you off the streets for a couple of hours a day, all they ACTUALLY do is give you the wages then take all but £20 off your benefits, leaving you working for just £20 a week.

If you could get a job that would leave you above benefits level, you'd jump at the chance. But who the hell is going to take a job that leaves them worse off than benefits when benefits are set at a survival level? You would be leaving yourself below the level set as the minimum you need to survive off. Who the hell in their right mind is going to do that, work ethic or not?

I have worked in crappy NMW jobs plenty of times since my diagnosis, but ONLY when the logistics of them haven't put my family in a WORSE financial position than being on benefits.

I want to work, but I want to feed my DC's MORE!!