Black Mirror anyone?

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This is good, in a surreal kind of way....

I felt ill after it. I was retching whilst the PM was puking. I am half wondering about the possibility of having Charlie Brooker charged with assault!

Interestingly DH said he would absolutely do it. He said that while he could easily turn down a demand for money or release of terrorists and keep a clear conscience, there is no way that he could not do something which simply involved personal humiliation/disgust if it meant saving someone's life.

As far as I am aware he has no pig fantasies.

People probably would go along with it because it was a man fucking a pig.

They'd rationalise that as not that bad compared to the other way round or a female politician or a politician's child or wife being raped by an animal.

I'm pretty sure lots of people would want to watch it and would come up with reasons to justify it.

Not so sure it would boost his reputation. The ridicule would never end.

I think it's more likely that the people who watched would feel revolted and guilty and then blame him for somehow forcing them to watch it and to confront their own vileness. Then they'd dump him out of their own embarrassment and shame and say it was for his own good - poor damaged man. As would the party.

Lots of owns there.

I thought the best things about it was that in the end it was orchestrated by 'an artist' his intentions and the justifications and rationalisations for performing the act and for those to watch it
still mostly weekend nonsense and no profound point was made, although I expect it was not intended to be made

I dunno Limitedperiodonly. I could imagine that happening. But I could also imagine if he did it then immediately resigned because of bringing his position into disrepute, he could set himself up to become a national treasure, if he handled it right - he would get a peerage and could pop up in the House of Lords shortly.
He wouldn't have much credibility on the international stage though, ever. I found the idea that he could carry on being PM quite implausible.

I suppose so elderberry. I wasn't thinking properly. On I'm A Celeb people do become popular for humiliating themselves as long as they're good sports about it or doing it for a good cause.

So why not pig-fucking to save a princess?

I wonder if the barefoot wonderboy Steve Hilton has already mentioned this to Dave as a Plan B in case people get fed up with him.

rebecca whatsername has already wanked a pig, years ago, and for no reason other than to maintain her position on a celebrity show. and it was watched by millions. surely that's why it's not so far-fetched?

i thought it was really disturbing, really thrilling, rather amusing and yes, pretty thought-provoking. regarding him still going on as PM, i did think that in order to keep going the entire country would have to have a collective voluntary amnesia (but i can totally imagine that being the case).

am surprised at the idea that fucking a pig is worse than letting a woman die.

God what was that Aitch.. Was it a farm show, breeding thing?

It made me feel a bit grim and almost implicated. Because I did think will he do it, and then repulsed and sad when he had to. Which, even though it was fiction, was quite interesting. The first programme I have watched that has had that effect.

TOTALLY re implicated. that's a great description.

wasn't it a big brother type thing on channel 5?

For those who say that fucking a pig is preferable to letting a woman die are they also saying that they would expect the PM to do it in those circumstances?
I'm genuinely interested.

Mind you, Christopher Brookmyre had the same idea in A Snowball In Hell a few years ago and Ben Elton in something I never read a few years before that.

I had to say that because Charlie Brooker really gets on my tits and it was bothering me where I'd read the idea before.

i think i would, yes. clearly it is designed to humiliate and degrade him, and i would expect a person to tolerate humiliation and degradation in order to save someone's life. i would hope i would, given that stark choice.

Really??? (wanders off shaking head in astonishment)

yes, really. you can consider me to be shaking my head in bemusement that someone would think otherwise, tbh.

O do so wish you'd stand for election aitch P

I really don't know, I feel too manipulated by the programme.

If someone had asked about that scenario on here, I would probably say no he shouldn't.

But it was the harming video that did it, I would probably be outraged by that too.

I'm not sure what I would expect a PM to do in those situations. It is one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't deals. Also, the image of the prime minister weeping while he fucks a pig to save a princess is such classic Brooker hyperbole that the specifics are almost immaterial. It could be any totally humiliating act and the story would be the same.

That being said, I absolutely could not believe that, say, Winston Churchill would entertain such an idea for a moment (well, not unless he was really pissed). He wasn't nearly as swayed by public pressure as modern politicians are. But Blair? Cameron? I'm not so sure.

seriously, though, zookeeper? you think your personal dignity more important than someone's life?

If those were the only factors, Aitch, I would agree with you, but wouldn't it also open a can of worms re setting a precedent, harming the nation as a whole by making it look silly, etc?

But he only did it to save his family. There is no way he would have if the party didn't threaten him.

Churchill would have done it. Look at what he said about pigs.

Well I would expect the PM to get on with his elected duty; to govern the country. Not to fuck pigs at the whim of a crazed individual. Where would you draw the line FFS?

that would be up to your PR team to handle, i would think. it would be easy enough to set it up as the ultimate act of altruistic heroism. (which is i think what happened in the play.) i am sure that david cameron/tony blair would be able to turn it into a post-office moneymaker in some way.

Well I thought it was good!

I do think though that actually the PM would just invoke normal policy, which is that we do not give in to ransom demands, surely?