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Eastenders Baby Death Storyline

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deemented · 28/12/2010 18:30

Once again, no one can live happily ever after Sad

Ronnie's baby James, dies and she puts his body in Kat and Alfies son's crib, and steals their baby boy, Tommy.

Why oh why oh why do scriptwriters insist on portraying bereaved parents - mothers especially - as mad and deranged??? Maybe it's because they can't begin to imagine how awful the death of a child is, but really, whilst we are mad with grief, it is our own child that we want back, not someone else's stolen child. When are scriptwriters ever going to understand that?

Still, it'll be a riveting watch, no doubt.

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TigerseyeMum · 07/01/2011 17:28

He comes across as a smug git. Public service broadcasting, my arse.

HereMeRoar · 07/01/2011 17:42

If the BBC aren't going to come out with an all out apology, then these are the sorts of responses I'd have expected them to come up with in all honesty. They don't stand up to closer analysis, but they are the agreed response and all people speaking publically (including Yorke and Kirkwood) are sticking to them.

If they apologised and admitted a mistake, the question would then be why not pull the whole lot of episodes now. That would be a very expensive and complicated thing to do, not to mention controversial and embarrassing. Re-shoots take time and money to organise and the larger the scale, the more it would disrupt the ongoing shooting scheduling. then there is all the post-production that each episode involves. So, they've decided this doesn't warrant that, and therefore they have to find a way of justifying the ongoing storyline. I personally find their justification paper-thin, but I don't think it necessarily means that all at the BBC don't understand. I just think they're unlikely to admit it publically.

None of this means that the complaints have been ignored. There will have been much gnashing of teeth and it's bound to have involved more senior executives too. Large organisations hate headlines like this. There is no faster way to grab the head honcho's attention. How they respond publically is a separate issue.

Lobbying the BBC Trust is another good idea. It might be good to focus on how the BBC should approach sensitive issues such as SIDS, in the future; how they might learn from this and use what they learn to improve their research, storylines and management processes. For me it is worrying that no-one in the BBC's chain of command spotted this train crash waiting to happen and sorted it out prior to broadcast. The list of trustees is here. Mehmuda Mian has an interest in complaints on sensitive issues.

And, of course, for those who are still watching, if any further episode covering this storyline offends in a different way, then the complaint form is still your friend Smile.

Newgolddream · 07/01/2011 18:01

confuddledDOTcom - my thoughts as a Nurse? Well its hard tbh, I take on board everything people have said here plus the fact that its "not real" and just a soap. I follow all the soaps and yes although storylines are not always entirely realistic they still do refect real life issues, so as such there will always be a plot that upsets or is too close to home for some.

And there will always be idiots who cant distinguish between fact and fiction - as demonstrated by the fact Samantha Womack was called a "murderer" in the street - which upsets me on so many levels I wouldnt know where to start.

However I feel it would have been much better - like everyone else - to just have had the cot death storyline, that would be tragic enough for any parent but particularly for a character like Ronnie given her past history with her children.

The issue I have with soaps given my profession is their portrayal of mental health issues - like the stereotypical image of a bereaved mother "baby snatching", mentally ill people have to face prejudice and stereotypes on TV. People can brand Ronnie "mad" etc - but although she has had trauma to deal with and may not have been thinking exactly straight taking Tommy - she doe not have a diagnosed mental illness.

Of course it could be said that she has developed Post natal Depression - she has not been acting "normal" since she took Tommy (and I realise a lot of people here who are upset wont be watching but she is not full of the joys put it like that) - he anxiety and feelings could be down to PND but to me just looks like guilt at what she has done.........and there lies my first issue with the storyline.

I could see someone snatching a baby in these circumstances but only if she was suffering from an extreme form of PND called Post partum psychosis - basically when someone becomes psychotic and loses touch with reality - but there has been no signs or symptoms in Ronnie - the Mum can become a danger to herself and her baby. For example she may believe her baby is the devil and needs destroyed.......or in EE case she may have truly believed baby Tommy was hers and someone had replaced him with a dead baby. Upsetting but can happen.

However Ronnie realises Tommy is not hers - and the symptoms of anxiety she is now experiencing down to guilt - when she has not lost contact with reality to feel this.

It could also be explained by a "moment of madness" down to extreme grief - taking the baby initially, but it cant explain why she has kept him and not handed him back regardless of the ramification for her relationship with Jack and the sanctions he may have faced from others.

And yes abuse victims can be mentally affected by their past but in my experience this does not cause psychotic reactions - generally - more common are long term self esteem issues leading to depression and possibly self harm - and not snatching a baby.

From memory about people who have snatched babies and made the media - they are "bad" not "mad". And I may be wrong as this is only my opinion these people are more likely to be doing it after pretending they were pregnant to their partners?

So to sum up I think they should have made it clear if Ronnie was mentally ill - which they didnt - or made her give the baby back asap after realising the consequences of her actions, especially for Kat and ALfie.

Mouseface · 07/01/2011 18:41

That's my issue with this dragging on, if the writers had actually written that once 'Ronnie' realised what she had done (and she did), why did they not end it there?

Because they didn't want to. Story over far too quickly, ratings don't sore for days, media don't go bonkers with it, less complaints because all is well now that little 'Tommy' is back where he should be. Hmm

If they had played it that way, the writers could have then gone on to deal with SIDS in the manner of which they should in the first place.

As they have done before.

Instead, as I have said so sorry to those who have read this, they went for the Shock factor to keep viewers gripped, even though some of the writers, crew and cast voiced their concerns and upset.

It has been reported that they even offered those involved counselling FFS. What does that tell you?

It just one big ratings stunt.

Will she or won't she give the baby back?

Will the midwife report the sudden correction of the club foot? The huge weight difference?

Will 'Kat' recognise her own son??

On and on and on it will go. Until SPRING!!!!

What else can we do?

deemented · 07/01/2011 19:19

Am going to start another thread as this one's about to be full...

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deemented · 07/01/2011 19:21

New thread here

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Mouseface · 07/01/2011 19:30

Thanks dee Smile

TheManWhoSoldtheWorld · 07/01/2011 19:31

From what I have read Mouse, the EE crew just don't care. They are backed up by the complete idiots, some of whom have been seen here.

I did suggest the dream exit plan on the first thread, I can't see them going through with it though.

Completely mind-boggling.

TheManWhoSoldtheWorld · 07/01/2011 19:32

Thanks Dee

Mouseface · 07/01/2011 19:41

TheMan - I love the idea of the dream plot, very Dallas Wink but as you say, it will never happen.

The Beeb will lose money, ratings and viewers if they cancel the story now.

Satan will go to work on ice-skates before the EE Powers That Be pull this story.

TheManWhoSoldtheWorld · 07/01/2011 20:01

Yes very Dallas

jugglingjo · 07/01/2011 20:50

Before we get to 1000 posts can I say thank-you to all who've shared and argued with such insight on this thread.

It has been a privilege to share in your lives, even a little, and to learn from your wisdom and generosity.

May the road rise to greet you as you journey on ...

Mouseface · 07/01/2011 20:57
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thefirstMrsDeVere · 07/01/2011 21:38

I am getting a bit worried about mouseface though, I dont reckon she has paused for a bite to eat, a shower or even a wee such is her dedication to the cause Grin

I have to say I have backed off little. I found I was getting very preoccupied with it all and the comments flying around about us being stupid non grip getting idiots who cant turn a tv over. I pop back cos I cant help it but its been a bit hard going.

Fight the power x

Mouseface · 07/01/2011 21:50

Grin MrsDe

I'm grand.

I promise I've eaten and had a wee today, just not brushed my teeth! Grin

DS has SN/LN so most of my day is spent with him hooked up to a feeding pump. I dip in and out, just on both threads!

I know what you mean re getting a bit preoccupied..... DH said I needed to 'step away fron the ranty machine' last night.

I can't help it though, too much pain has been caused to walk away.

Fight the power indeed xx

HereMeRoar · 07/01/2011 21:59

Yeah right Mouse Wink But did you shower?

Take care ladies x

TheManWhoSoldtheWorld · 07/01/2011 22:02

Poor Mouseface, it is only too true

MrsDeVere is v sweet for thinking of you.

HelenMumsnet · 07/01/2011 22:03

Hello. Just to let you know, we've extended this thread, so you can still post on it even after it reaches 1000 posts.

TheManWhoSoldtheWorld · 07/01/2011 22:05

Fab xx

deemented · 07/01/2011 22:06

Oh thanks Helen - in that case, any chance you can delete the 2nd thread i started? Or merge?

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confuddledDOTcom · 07/01/2011 22:08

Newgolddream I said earlier about puerperal psychosis being the only way I could see around this too and obviously she doesn't have any other symptoms of that.

I'm not trained in mental health but I'm a Doula so know a bit about PNI and there is a bit of mental health history in my family (including puerperal psychosis), but I had pretty much come to the same conclusion.

HelenMumsnet · 07/01/2011 22:08

There's a second thread already? Oops.

Ok, will go look.

confuddledDOTcom · 07/01/2011 22:12

Thank you Helen. Certainly a thread that needs it.

Mouseface · 07/01/2011 22:21

Thank you Helen Smile

TheMan - I'm developing a soft spot for you, YOU are very kind Smile

And yes, I squeezed a v quick shower in first thing before logging on! I'm not daft! Wink

Keep me away from the other thread please people (The many EE threads one) Sad

FooffyShmoofer · 07/01/2011 22:25

It is my extremely humble opinion when I say that I believe Brian Kirkwood to be lying when he says that they have brought forward the end of the story to the Spring as a result of the backlash.

If Samantha Womack gave her resignation in November and it is said that she will leave in May as a result of this then the story was ALWAYS going to resolve itself in May.
They have bandied about various dates as to the end of this from a few weeks to a few years just to keep people salivating and guessing and he is now announcing what was already a given.

A cynical ploy to redeem himself and those involved.

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