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Have I done the right thing by kicking DD out? (long post)

96 replies

pastamental · 24/05/2009 19:52

...well, obviously not, or I wouldn't be on here agonising about it.

She's nearly 16, stubborn, sly, always pleading to be trusted and a blasé liar. And those are her good points. When she's not exhibiting these common teenage traits though, she can be a lovely girl, academically intelligent & pretty. She's grown up in a loving, stable home - she's loved, but at the moment...not liked.

So - she has taken up smoking, an absolute anathema to me & DW. At first she did it surreptitiously with her "friends" (save that for another post?).
We've found evidence on her at least 3 times, we've had the tears, the "I'll never do it again...believe me". She's a very convincing performer, but obviously not meant at all.
It's particularly serious as her (independent) school has a zero tolerance to smoking - she WILL be expelled without question should they find out, especially as I'm sure she has the stuff at school. But last night she took it one step too far.

After what I thought had been a pleasant day, after a family trip to the cinema, back home she announced that she was just going outside...at 22:30. Unusual, though I knew straight away why, but had to hear it from her "Well, there's no point in hiding it any more, is there?". She had made a decision that evening, and perhaps was thinking we would capitulate. I really don't know what goes through her mind at times.

I said that it was bad enough her smoking anyway, but it was definitely not on blatantly smoking in or anywhere near the house. "ok, I'll just go down the street then". So as she walks away, I warned her that if she carried this through she was crossing a line from which there would be serious consequences.
Basically if she did not or could not abide by the simple rules of the house, she had better find some place else which would allow it...So she carried on walking.

Driven by my impotent rage, I locked all the doors, and left her to it. She knocked an hour later asking for some shoes, as she had gone for a fag in her slippers. I refused, reminding her that she had made her bed, and now she must lie in it, uncomfortable as it might be. And then at some point, she went off into the night...

As with most rows with her, big or small, she refuses to accept or contemplate a compromise. It's her way or nothing, whereas as we go out of our way to accommodate some of her demands, if only to keep the peace. And she does not know when to keep her mouth shut, and turns discussion into pointless, prolonged & heated arguments - if only she would hold her tongue, it would save her so much trouble. Mind you, her mother is just as bad in this respect, so I just leave them to it now, as I can't stand it any more.

So, am I being pig-headed in doing this? Irresponsible? Vindictive? Childish?? Part of me would be glad to get shot of her, but at her age, we still have 'parental responsibility' and even if she stays away, the practical/legal ramifications loom all too large. Even if she does come back once her friends (or friends parents) kick her out, she will not show one iota of remorse ? the word 'sorry' has always stuck in her throat since she was little.

And no, I've no idea where she is. We have been in touch very briefly after sending her delicately worded texts - as I'm not going to beg her to come back.

The sad thing is, what was promising to be a sunny, carefree bank holiday weekend is now anything but...

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VictorianSqualor · 25/05/2009 12:36

Ugh.

You remind me of my step-dad too. It was always my fault, I was always the terrible teenage delinquent and 'deserved' to eb locked out etc.

You know some of the places I slept when locked out rather than go tell my friends through embarrassment because they had a happy home life??

I slept in stolen cars, bushes, the entrance to the bus station and once or twice a park bench. Also the people you meet at that time of night...well, they're a lot to be desired.

If this is a true story it is the most utterly ridiculous thing I've ever heard, what lesson do you think it's going to teach her??? All it's going to do is push her into the arms of the people who will accept her, smoking and all, those who will be around at this time of night and not think that maybe a fifteen year old girl should be looked after. Last night she was probably at the most risk she has ever been, and the blame on that lies at your door. Your LOCKED door.

gerontius · 25/05/2009 12:41

"driven by my impotent rage"?
Sounds like a line from a really awful novel!

mumonthenet · 25/05/2009 13:10

pastamental - your greatest hope is that you were big enough to question your actions by coming on here.....

don't run away....there is constructive criticism to be had (as well as kneejerk judgements)

Some quick thoughts:

We cannot control our children.

We must educate them and guide them.

We must love and accept them, even when at their most unloveable.

We must choose our battles (this is a useful one)

You need to bring her back.

You need to tell her you love her.

You need to tell her that while you feel strongly about the smoking issue you know that you over-reacted.

You need to talk to her about the smoking issues. If you give her the choice, she is actually more likely to make the right choice.

You need to rethink now or you will find you're at the beginning of the end of your relationship with her.

lljkk · 25/05/2009 13:12

I'm with tmm-Janitor .
This isn't really about smoking, is it? It's about lying.
I can easily believe the story, especially a parent losing their rag in a stupid way.
I'm only human, I do dumb things, too.
15 is not 5, it's not insane to lock her out in a moment of pique, mind it's unproductive and unkind as done by OP.
I locked ds4yo out once for ten minutes when he was driving me insane (daylight, in our garden).

Yes you over-reacted, OP.
You need to come up with a better way to discourage your DD from smoking; where does she get the money from to buy them, for one thing? What if you urine tested her for nicotine, and for each negative test she got a new music CD -- wouldn't that be less stress than all this?
If smoking is the worst DD ever comes up with to challenge me I will feel like I got off very lucky.
But I come from an extended family with lots of dysfunctionality, so everything is relative.

Greensleeves · 25/05/2009 14:58

VictorianSqualor, I think your stepfuckwit and mine would be firm friends

VictorianSqualor · 25/05/2009 15:05

Aye, but they'll die sad and alone and never know the real joy life can hold

Greensleeves · 25/05/2009 15:06

Good

mrsjammi · 25/05/2009 15:21

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LollipopViolet · 26/05/2009 16:28

If it's true about the school expelling just for knowing a child smokes, that's one tough/messed up school. Our school only took action if people smoked in/near it or in uniform on the way to or from.

If this is real, then I think the OP has serious issues regarding women. He sounds terribly opressive towards his DW and DD, and if that was me, I'd be out of there before he could blink. Heaven knows what goes on when that poor girl is at home.

If this is a troll, I hear Tesco are selling lives for 1p. I'd get one.

OrmIrian · 26/05/2009 16:30

"As with most rows with her, big or small, she refuses to accept or contemplate a compromise"

Like father like daughter?

I personally hope this is a wind up.

OrmIrian · 26/05/2009 16:35

And as for the smoking. Not good I admit, but it won't kill her instantly. She has years to give up. I smoked for about 15 yrs and have now given up for 13. My lung health and heart are fine. If your objection to her smoking is for health reasons, don't get hysterical, just keep your fingers crossed and encourage her to stop. If they are simply because you personally don't like it, you are a complete and utter knob.

maltesers · 26/05/2009 16:41

PASTAMENTAL... people have slated you and told you you are doing wrong, but i think its very hard and sometimes you dont know where to turn.. Teenagers drive you NUTS !! My DD is 18 and a half and a bitch from ehll at times. I didnt have the strength to throw her out , but if BRAT CAMP had taken her to UTAH? or where ever, i would have welcomed it. My DD is off to Uni in September and i cannot wait. I love her dearly and think she is a beautiful girl under neath it all, but i dont like her behaviour either. She gets drunk, calls me all the names under the sun, Criticises me non stop, behaves like a SPOILT BRAT and seems to hate me. I am good for moeny, cleaning, wahsing and giving her lifts.... oh yeah !! Dogs body for that stuff.
My dd smokes and has done since 14 years, got us evicted after partiying when i was away 2 years ago and been a little cow but i cant throw her out. I am a single mum so dont want to let her down any more than i have .
Smoking, drinking, sex and all the rest are normal teenage things which we will all have to face , tolerate or not and deal with. Hang on if you can till she is a bit older.

ZZZen · 28/05/2009 20:26

to the OP: I understood that the smoking was not the central issue but the final straw in a long chain of problems and you were at your wits end and very angry the night you locked her out.

Thing is when you have a baby, you are making yourself responsible for that person for a very very long time. If it is becoming unbearable for everyone having her under your roof, please try to find a seriously viable alternative for a year or so to take the pressure off you all. Is there within the family somewhere she could go, possibly to family living overseas (language etc, schoolyear abroard) or could she board for a trial year and see how that pans out?

It might not end the smoking, lying habits but would hopefully defuse things. Fifteen is still very young and her character/personality is not set in stone. I wouldn't give up on things getting better.

letsgostrawberrypicking · 29/05/2009 14:34

if you are lurking Pasta any updates? Hope things have settled down a bit

LittleWonder · 29/05/2009 15:18

forget pasta, just mental. No wonder she smokes. She must hate you. Deservedly.

knockedgymnast · 03/06/2009 13:26

Contraception failed?

MadameCastafiore · 03/06/2009 13:30

And if she had come home battered and bruised this morning after being attacked or worse raped whilst being locked out what would you have done?

She is smoking not chasing the dragon FGS!

You turn your back on your kids for very few things, murder, abuse of a minor etc, those sort of serious things, smoking a fag is not one of them.

beanieb · 03/06/2009 13:32

I think you are being really harsh. She seems to have agreed to smoke away from the house as you requested and yet you locked her out of the house anyway?

Yes - we all know smoking is bad for you, she probably knows it is bad for her - but unfortunately people will smoke if you like it or not and I feel your response is over the top.

poshsinglemum · 10/06/2009 14:25

Ok- smoking isn't great but it is only a fag. It could be a lot, lot worse judging by what my mates all smoked when I was a teenager!

NewLeaseofLife · 10/06/2009 14:38

pastamental - I work with young people that have left/ been evicted from home and deal with a lot of the issues you have mentioned. I doubt you are a troll and think that the shouting of this is disgusting, a lot of people have no understanding of some of the issues people face.

Please contact me [email protected], I may be able to help.

mumonthenet · 16/06/2009 23:51

Newlease, I think your post is great. I am sorry that pastamental never came back.

I doubt that he was a troll, and even if he was I'd rather take seriously a troll's message than ignore a true request for help, which is what I think this was.

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