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Have I done the right thing by kicking DD out? (long post)

96 replies

pastamental · 24/05/2009 19:52

...well, obviously not, or I wouldn't be on here agonising about it.

She's nearly 16, stubborn, sly, always pleading to be trusted and a blasé liar. And those are her good points. When she's not exhibiting these common teenage traits though, she can be a lovely girl, academically intelligent & pretty. She's grown up in a loving, stable home - she's loved, but at the moment...not liked.

So - she has taken up smoking, an absolute anathema to me & DW. At first she did it surreptitiously with her "friends" (save that for another post?).
We've found evidence on her at least 3 times, we've had the tears, the "I'll never do it again...believe me". She's a very convincing performer, but obviously not meant at all.
It's particularly serious as her (independent) school has a zero tolerance to smoking - she WILL be expelled without question should they find out, especially as I'm sure she has the stuff at school. But last night she took it one step too far.

After what I thought had been a pleasant day, after a family trip to the cinema, back home she announced that she was just going outside...at 22:30. Unusual, though I knew straight away why, but had to hear it from her "Well, there's no point in hiding it any more, is there?". She had made a decision that evening, and perhaps was thinking we would capitulate. I really don't know what goes through her mind at times.

I said that it was bad enough her smoking anyway, but it was definitely not on blatantly smoking in or anywhere near the house. "ok, I'll just go down the street then". So as she walks away, I warned her that if she carried this through she was crossing a line from which there would be serious consequences.
Basically if she did not or could not abide by the simple rules of the house, she had better find some place else which would allow it...So she carried on walking.

Driven by my impotent rage, I locked all the doors, and left her to it. She knocked an hour later asking for some shoes, as she had gone for a fag in her slippers. I refused, reminding her that she had made her bed, and now she must lie in it, uncomfortable as it might be. And then at some point, she went off into the night...

As with most rows with her, big or small, she refuses to accept or contemplate a compromise. It's her way or nothing, whereas as we go out of our way to accommodate some of her demands, if only to keep the peace. And she does not know when to keep her mouth shut, and turns discussion into pointless, prolonged & heated arguments - if only she would hold her tongue, it would save her so much trouble. Mind you, her mother is just as bad in this respect, so I just leave them to it now, as I can't stand it any more.

So, am I being pig-headed in doing this? Irresponsible? Vindictive? Childish?? Part of me would be glad to get shot of her, but at her age, we still have 'parental responsibility' and even if she stays away, the practical/legal ramifications loom all too large. Even if she does come back once her friends (or friends parents) kick her out, she will not show one iota of remorse ? the word 'sorry' has always stuck in her throat since she was little.

And no, I've no idea where she is. We have been in touch very briefly after sending her delicately worded texts - as I'm not going to beg her to come back.

The sad thing is, what was promising to be a sunny, carefree bank holiday weekend is now anything but...

OP posts:
EccentricaGallumbits · 24/05/2009 20:22

FFS. do you mean my little rant was fodder for the animal?

will bog off to somthing more important then

humph

TrillianAstra · 24/05/2009 20:29

Good thought tatt.

Dear 15-year-old. Take money and your phone with you when you go outside to smoke. Just in case your parents really are that unreasonable.

pastamental · 24/05/2009 20:58

letsgostrawberrypicking ? hit the nail on the head - you are so very right.

I & DW might well be infrequent posters (mea culpa for sharing same id) - I haven't time to run to mumsnet every time we have a problem or crisis - we just try and deal with it. Except in this case.

As for leaving her alone in the night ? She's no fool, this isn't a tough urban area and she would have made straight for one of her local friends (as I said, she did reply to texts later on). Does it make me feel better ? of course not.

I do seem to remember that I was a teen once, and yes, probably displeased my parents many times, but I knew where the line was, and ultimately respected it.
Is that too much to ask?

Sounds like it is.

OP posts:
Tortington · 24/05/2009 21:01

you're the parent ffs. she's 15 get a grip it's moronic behaviour

Yurtgirl · 24/05/2009 21:05

When my kids behave badly I try to remember to look at myself and see in what way I may have caused it

Perhaps you should do that yourself

TheFallenMadonna · 24/05/2009 21:07

If this is for real then you are an arse. And I am irrationally irritated by you referring to her as 'pretty' in your OP.

solidgoldSneezeLikeApig · 24/05/2009 21:12

But you are not entitled to 'respect' from her. You have forfeited that by your treatment of her. She is a human being and entitled to have different opinions to you - and smoking, while not ideal, is not that big an issue.
You;re a smug, inadequate small-cocked wanker who can only feel normal by bullying people smaller, weaker and younger than you.

Heated · 24/05/2009 21:17

You sound as stubborn as each other - she's possibly less like your dw than you think, and more like you than you realise.

No, she shouldn't smoke in the house but she's not doing that though is she if she goes outside? So it's the smoking itself you object to? Or the fact you've told her not to and she continues?

I'm a great believer that when you have strong-willed people in a house and in this case a teenager making their way to independence that you choose your battles. What do you want to achieve in fighting this one?

19fran76 · 24/05/2009 21:17

My sympathy is with your daughter. She sounds like any other typical teenager trying to work out how to assert herself, find her own identity, express her views & be heard & have enough freedom to experience some degree of independence. Your post was so overwhelmingly negative in tone that I cannot imagine that she can be anything other than miserable at your 'damning' assessment of her.

ScummyMummy · 24/05/2009 21:25

Suspect trollery is afoot but if not then you are an absolute eejit and all of the adjectives you suggest for yourself apply. Though solidgold has put it even better, imo.

RambleOn · 24/05/2009 21:55

Surely your main objection to her smoking is that it will ruin her health? Because you love her?

Yet you locked her out of her home in her slippers late at night?

noddyholder · 24/05/2009 21:57

I hope this is a troll otherwise you are v controlling and above all irresponsible parent.Where is she fgs ? Smoking and insolence in a 15yr old Hardly the crime of the century or that surprising Get a grip and go and find her

RustyBear · 24/05/2009 21:57

Your comments on your daughter, with the only 'good points' you can think of that she is 'academically intelligent and pretty' make me feel that you just want a daughter you can boast about, not one to love no matter what - that may not be true, but it's how you come across.

I doubt if you can be any more opposed to smoking than I am, but when my DD started smoking, the last thing I would have thought of was to throw her out, especially late at night. Apart from anything else, it's pretty much invalidated any argument you ever had for imposing a curfew on her, which you may come to regret - assuming you are actually planning to take her back sometime.

I have never stopped encouraging DD to give up and I never will, even when she's 30, though I'm hoping she will have given up long before that - she is trying hard, and I believe she will succeed.

Greensleeves · 24/05/2009 21:59

you sound like my stepfather

you controlling, arrogant pig

how people can treat any child like this is beyond me

I keep thinking about that poor girl locked out of her own home without proper shoes on

you don't know where she is!! Don't you understand the danger you have put her in? Do you realise that she probably feels that you dislike her, don't care about her and won't care if something happens to her? She's a human being, not a fucking dog you can train by using these blunt stupid methods

I hope you are prepared to be really, really hated by your daughter - she will run from you like a bullet from a gun as soon as she is old enough to make better living arrangements for herself

and you are destroying her self-image and her long-term happiness

unbelievable

RambleOn · 24/05/2009 22:01

Well said Greeny

lou031205 · 24/05/2009 22:09

Where does she get her cigarrettes from? Does she look 18? If not, that would be a better thing to be concerned about.

Contact her, be the one to apologise - set the example, and start again.

You don't need to allow her to smoke in your home, but throwing her out solves nothing.

piscesmoon · 24/05/2009 22:17

Definitely a troll. She is your DD-a child-your responsibility.

BigBellasBeerBelly · 24/05/2009 22:24

Can't you buy cigarettes at 16 any more?

of course you can't lock a 15 year old girl out of home all night. That's the most stupid thing I've ever heard.

If it is true then the OP is an abusive parent IMO. Uncaring cruel and callous.

themoon66 · 24/05/2009 22:29

My parents locked me out of the house for missing the last bus home (I walked 7 miles to get home).

I hated them for that for years.

Let the child back in and explain why you think smoking is bad.

BigBellasBeerBelly · 24/05/2009 22:34

Can anyone explain (themoon it happened to you) why on earth anyone would do this.

I mean, it's bloody cold at night a lot in this country, young girls are very vulnerable, why is making them wander the streets all night, sit in shop doorways or try to sleep on benches a good thing? At best nothing will bad will happen but they will get bloody cold, at medium they will get mistaken for a prostitute or hassled by unpleasant drunks, at worst something dreadful will happen.

The streets are very deserted in the small hours, it's a scary and lonely place to be

aGalChangedHerName · 24/05/2009 22:36

FFS you sound like an utter wanker In fact you sound just like my dear old dad whom i still fucking hate for the stunts he pulled, like locking me out for shit like this.

I'm almost hoping your dd doesn't have to come back and live with you

Quattrocento · 24/05/2009 22:38

Troll

letsgostrawberrypicking · 24/05/2009 22:38

I think we all agree (including OP I suspect) that he made a mistake last night and went a bit too far. If he is anything like me and dh he will be kicking himself for years for doing that and all the things that could of happened to her.So where does him and his dw go from here? If he didnt care he wouldnt be posting on here, so how about stopping the unhelpful name calling and posting something to help him, his dd and dw to move on positively from this low

2Shoots · 24/05/2009 22:51

well said greeny. thank god you're not my dad

GreenGables · 24/05/2009 22:54

Oh your poor poor daughter! I really hope she went to somebody who can stand up for her. How dare you treat your child like this!! You don't deserve children: I really really hope that your daughter has gone to SS, because if you and your DW are prepared to throw her out, alone into the dead of night, then I dread to think how you treat her within the confines of your 'home'.

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