Our 2 dds have friends round...they are all about 17...they are in the front room, dp and I just went in to discuss something with the dds, and these two lads STOOD UP to make chairs available to us. Afraid to say I don't think this would have occurred to our dcs, but very impressive, no? And, I might add they have spent last 2 afternoons sitting round teaching eachother card games, v civilized. Lovely.