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Teenagers

Parenting teenagers has its ups and downs. Get advice from Mumsnetters here.

How do you deal with horrible teenager daughters?

72 replies

Warmcandle · 23/03/2023 14:08

My DD (12 nearly 13) just horrible to me and DH and her siblings. I try the being nice approach and she is vile to me, I try to strict approach and she is vile to me. She was a challenging toddler so I always thought she might be the same when the teenage hormones kick in. She pushed me when I just came in from the shops. I've stopped saying goodnight to her at bedtime as get a mouth full but I think perhaps I should just keep doing that. Any wise guidance gratefully received. My teenage DS is not this unkind although admittedly challenging in other ways such as not cleaning up after himself and constantly forgetting to his homework.

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sofabedsofa · 24/03/2023 23:32

@wildeatheart the book @Seaweed42 linked to in her post is just brilliant too. A really good read that will reframe how you interact with teenagers.

sofabedsofa · 24/03/2023 23:37

Stugs · 24/03/2023 22:57

I know this is going to sound smug but honestly I have three teen and young adult dds and none of them have ever been horrible at all. They've been a bit grumpy sometimes. I really don't think people should think being rude and unpleasant is normal teenage girl behaviour.

Your family life is sounds lovely. I’m really happy for you and your dc.

But many teenagers will be rude or unpleasant at some point. It definitely not beyond what would be considered normal teenage behaviour.

Stugs · 25/03/2023 00:00

sofabedsofa · 24/03/2023 23:37

Your family life is sounds lovely. I’m really happy for you and your dc.

But many teenagers will be rude or unpleasant at some point. It definitely not beyond what would be considered normal teenage behaviour.

Yes, they've all been rude at one time or another. But nothing awful. I just don't want the OP to think repeated nastiness is normal and that she should just accept it.

Adrelaxzz · 25/03/2023 00:12

Expect them to behave well. Treat them well and be interested in them. Act shocked when they don't behave well and give them hell if they cross the line.
So ignore most of the grumpiness.
Try and eat together at least half the time. Cut their allowance if they don't carry out their chores. Try and talk to them about stuff they are interested in. Try and not make every interaction about chores/homework/behaviour (hard to do!)

Karatequeen · 25/03/2023 05:47

Stugs · 24/03/2023 22:57

I know this is going to sound smug but honestly I have three teen and young adult dds and none of them have ever been horrible at all. They've been a bit grumpy sometimes. I really don't think people should think being rude and unpleasant is normal teenage girl behaviour.

There’s quite a range of common teen behaviour and it includes kids who go through puberty smoothly and those who struggle with puberty. It rests on lots of different factors.

Autienotnautie · 25/03/2023 06:01

I can sympathise I had 2 teen girls and a toddler simultaneously and can say the toddler could be easier!

I learnt to lower my expectations, so not ragging on her for every little thing. If she doesn't answer my 'morning' etc. Bedrooms I learnt to ignore, they had set jobs for their pm rather than asking for random contributions.
Phone confiscated for unacceptable behaviours.

It really got me down tho as they would frequently tell me what I was failing at as a parent or take a childhood memory and spoil it saying they hated every minute of it. I let off steam to dh a lot. They also constantly argued which was draining. They are now 20,22 and absolute joys I love spending time with them.

Autienotnautie · 25/03/2023 06:13

Stugs · 24/03/2023 22:57

I know this is going to sound smug but honestly I have three teen and young adult dds and none of them have ever been horrible at all. They've been a bit grumpy sometimes. I really don't think people should think being rude and unpleasant is normal teenage girl behaviour.

You are right it does sound smug. Congratulations you have easy going kids that were easy to parent. Do you want an award?

The toddler years are a challenge due to communication barriers and a transition from baby to child, teens have widely raging hormones and a transition to adult to contend with. Some sail though these stages fairly easily because their disposition is quite chilled. (Lucky parent) Some mask their feelings so there could be struggles but parents aren't seeing them. (Awful for the person struggling) And others feel safe to let those feelings out. (Very healthy) As long as the child is being role modelled appropriate behaviour and are continually taught right from wrong they will usually come out the other end unscathed. (Assuming school/friendships /environment is all good)

Stugs · 25/03/2023 07:10

You are right it does sound smug. Congratulations you have easy going kids that were easy to parent. Do you want an award

What a nasty response.

Stugs · 25/03/2023 07:12

And of course it's not healthy to "let feelings out" once you are a teen if those feelings are unpleasant and hurtful to others- but that makes sense if that's the behaviour you are modelling.

FullaSpjäll · 25/03/2023 07:54

OP, your update about your DD's previous self harm is really important. It tells you that she internalises difficult feelings. I'd defiitely rule out 'shock and awe'. I learnt this the hard way with my own DD. You can have clear boundaries without going on a counter-attack. You can teach your DD important lessons about valuing yourself by taking a more low-key approach, and still not being 'a door mat'. Your DD's history of self harm is a key factor in how you parent her because it it an indicator of how she processes experiences.

(FWIW, Classic, what your brother did must have been terrifying, and I am pretty sure your DNiece 'was never rude again' because she learnt to live in fear. Poor girl.)

I think an awareness of the bigger picture and the importance of preserving the foundations for a good, mutually respectful relationship for years to come are paramount. I try my best to model level-headedness, consistency, patience, fairness, kindness and 'don't-sweat-the-small-stuff' with DD even when she can't do those things herself (she has had a pretty consistently awful year), and it just takes the sting out of whatever behaviours you are experiencing. Let your DD know you hold her in positive regard and don't lose sight of the relationship, keeping an eye on the years ahead. When I look at my group of childhood friends, some of whom (including myself) gave their parents hell, the ones who now enjoy warm and close relationships with their parents are those whose parents avoided authoritarian and punitive parenting strategies, yet remained loving, engaged and responsive.

Young people are so different, and there is a difference between what is 'normal' and what is 'acceptable'. The range of 'normal' is huge! Teen DDs behaving like ours is definitely normal, as are those who do not give their parents much cause for concern. Our lot is perhaps more unfortunate, but certainly not unusual. We just have to work a lot harder for a time.

'Acceptable' isn't a useful descriptor. The behaviour; it is what it is. And we work with it. When we get hung up on notions of 'acceptability' we get snagged into comparison; good and bad, right and wrong. It skims over more useful perspectives. 'Not acceptable!' can also be a trigger for unhelpful knee jerk reactions and punitive interventions which may feel 'right' in the moment, but will strain the relationship, erode trust and won't be supportive longer term.

As parents, we often credit our parenting with the positive expressions of our DC's personalities. We have modelled, we have encouraged, we have set set boundaries and expectations, meted out consequences, taken no nonsense, and "look how well our DC turned out". Until they go off-script and surprise us with behaviour we could never have imagined! I have DDs, close in age, who are polar opposites since hitting their pre/teens. They have been parented exactly the same and have had the same experiences, yet could not be more different. People who meet one, including a range of outside agencies as her behaviour has given such a cause for concern, either pity me or treat me with suspicion, looking for causal and contributing factors to how a previously 'fine' child could have taken such a nose dive. People who meet the other DC congratulate me. I have learnt not to judge parents of struggling children nor think that a 'well adjusted' child is simply a product of good parenting.

Effingmagicfairy · 25/03/2023 08:03

No advice, but feel your pain as I have a rude stroppy teenage DD too and when time allows will be back to read all the advice.

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 25/03/2023 08:58

@FullaSpjäll
Great post.

Warmcandle · 26/03/2023 22:04

FullaSpjäll · 25/03/2023 07:54

OP, your update about your DD's previous self harm is really important. It tells you that she internalises difficult feelings. I'd defiitely rule out 'shock and awe'. I learnt this the hard way with my own DD. You can have clear boundaries without going on a counter-attack. You can teach your DD important lessons about valuing yourself by taking a more low-key approach, and still not being 'a door mat'. Your DD's history of self harm is a key factor in how you parent her because it it an indicator of how she processes experiences.

(FWIW, Classic, what your brother did must have been terrifying, and I am pretty sure your DNiece 'was never rude again' because she learnt to live in fear. Poor girl.)

I think an awareness of the bigger picture and the importance of preserving the foundations for a good, mutually respectful relationship for years to come are paramount. I try my best to model level-headedness, consistency, patience, fairness, kindness and 'don't-sweat-the-small-stuff' with DD even when she can't do those things herself (she has had a pretty consistently awful year), and it just takes the sting out of whatever behaviours you are experiencing. Let your DD know you hold her in positive regard and don't lose sight of the relationship, keeping an eye on the years ahead. When I look at my group of childhood friends, some of whom (including myself) gave their parents hell, the ones who now enjoy warm and close relationships with their parents are those whose parents avoided authoritarian and punitive parenting strategies, yet remained loving, engaged and responsive.

Young people are so different, and there is a difference between what is 'normal' and what is 'acceptable'. The range of 'normal' is huge! Teen DDs behaving like ours is definitely normal, as are those who do not give their parents much cause for concern. Our lot is perhaps more unfortunate, but certainly not unusual. We just have to work a lot harder for a time.

'Acceptable' isn't a useful descriptor. The behaviour; it is what it is. And we work with it. When we get hung up on notions of 'acceptability' we get snagged into comparison; good and bad, right and wrong. It skims over more useful perspectives. 'Not acceptable!' can also be a trigger for unhelpful knee jerk reactions and punitive interventions which may feel 'right' in the moment, but will strain the relationship, erode trust and won't be supportive longer term.

As parents, we often credit our parenting with the positive expressions of our DC's personalities. We have modelled, we have encouraged, we have set set boundaries and expectations, meted out consequences, taken no nonsense, and "look how well our DC turned out". Until they go off-script and surprise us with behaviour we could never have imagined! I have DDs, close in age, who are polar opposites since hitting their pre/teens. They have been parented exactly the same and have had the same experiences, yet could not be more different. People who meet one, including a range of outside agencies as her behaviour has given such a cause for concern, either pity me or treat me with suspicion, looking for causal and contributing factors to how a previously 'fine' child could have taken such a nose dive. People who meet the other DC congratulate me. I have learnt not to judge parents of struggling children nor think that a 'well adjusted' child is simply a product of good parenting.

What a lovely thoughtful post Fulla, I was starting to feel pathetic and a walk over from some of these posts even though I really am not in real life. I am usually measured, calm, kind and thoughtful but my DD quite often pushes me to the edge on sanity. Your wisdom and advice is really helpful. My DD has two younger sisters who are very even tempered (but not yet teens) so I don’t think it’s my parenting style. I have saved your advice and will mull it over. Thank you.

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PinkCandie · 27/03/2023 13:23

Hi, I’m writing this as I’m so upset. One of my close friends has been told her 13 year old daughter is having sex with her 14 year old boyfriend. Her daughter is not the smartest and the boyfriend is very manipulative. She is falling out with her friends as he is stirring up trouble with them. Her friends are so upset she won’t listen to them. Her mum is devastated and just doesn’t know where to turn. She is also unsure if they are using contraception. Any help would be appreciated

Stugs · 27/03/2023 14:09

PinkCandie · 27/03/2023 13:23

Hi, I’m writing this as I’m so upset. One of my close friends has been told her 13 year old daughter is having sex with her 14 year old boyfriend. Her daughter is not the smartest and the boyfriend is very manipulative. She is falling out with her friends as he is stirring up trouble with them. Her friends are so upset she won’t listen to them. Her mum is devastated and just doesn’t know where to turn. She is also unsure if they are using contraception. Any help would be appreciated

She needs to talk to her daughter.

WordleInTwo · 27/03/2023 16:50

Dacadactyl · 23/03/2023 14:42

Have you tried shock and awe tactics?

So my DD at about this age started to get a bit of an attitude, tho no swearing at me. I just got a bit fed up of sarky comments and the big face on her so one day I just went off on one with words to this affect:

"Are you taking the fucking piss? Who do you think you are? My whole adult life has revolved around you and if you think for one second I'm going to tolerate this shit in my own home you're in for a rude awakening"

She was absolutely stunned because she'd never seen me lose my rag ever. Now no doubt people will be on in a minute saying it was emotional abuse to say that to her yada yada.

Upshot of it was she bucked her ideas up.

This is fantastic!

FullaSpjäll · 27/03/2023 18:37

I'm glad you found it useful, Warm.
If you are interested, look up Dr Naomi Fisher and Eliza Fricker and the Missing The Mark blog (also on FB). Although aimed at parents of neurodiverse children, it is such a warm and affirmative goldmine of advice on how to communicate with young people and how to re-frame what we perceive as challenging behaviour.

Pammy28 · 03/10/2023 00:51

Girls are worse than boys, so I am told. Maybe take her out for clothes shopping, and have a quick chat with her? Difficult age though, hopefully she will grow out of it. How dare she push you, anything worrying her? We usually are awful to the ones we love. I think it's teen years kicking in though, poor you!!

floradora · 03/10/2023 10:12

"You Don't Understand Me" by Dr Tara Porter is another really helpful book - aimed at teenage girls, but I read it and it really changed my understanding and approach

Burntouted · 03/10/2023 21:42

Perhaps something going on (went on) in her life that's traumatized her deeply, and she's resorted to this type of behavior.

She has a private life and experiences separate from the life you know of.

Have you been through her phone and devices?
Perhaps talk to her, or involve a therapist..

May be her teen rage and hormones, possibly hanging out with the wrong crowd, testing boundaries and new found independence, could be school, teachers, etc...

Burntouted · 03/10/2023 21:46

Also I suggest reflect on how you interact and communicate with her. Maybe a large portion of the problem is your actions and behaviors as well.

Being a kid is tough. Maybe it's growing pains, confusion, stress, depression, etc...

Perhaps it would be beneficial to seek the help of a professional as well

SilverTima · 03/10/2023 22:10

I agree with many of @Seaweed42 suggestions BUT I do not believe all behaviour is communication. Often, its' just hormones, in which case just breezily move on from the matter.

Pushing is not on and everything and all things would stop in our house if anyone behaved that way. It would be a declaration of WWIII from my dh and me.

There is a middle ground between being undertaking and psychologically and emotionally astute around your teen but some things will NOT get a supportive reaction but will be come down hard on. After which one can try and see what is happening for the teen that they acted like that.

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