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Is it still 'normal' for 13 y/o girls to be sexually active?

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cheshirebloke · 31/10/2022 13:08

My kids live with me full time, and eldest, dd is 13. She talks to me fairly openly about personal stuff, like when she started her periods a few months ago - she doesn't seem shy or embarrassed to talk to me. She's a fairly quiet girl, slightly tomboyish, wears baggy clothes rather thank skimpy stuff, very studious, doesn't go out that much, doesn't often wear make up, and isn't too preoccupied with her appearance in general. Sometimes I have to remind her to brush her hair or put clean clothes on lol.

I don't think she's particularly streetwise, and in some ways is possibly a bit immature for her age (yet in others does seem mature). So far she's not openly shown any real interest in boys, other than platonically, and up until recently has been telling me that she thinks she's asexual. I'm not aware of her having any actual boyfriends, and her attitude still seems to that boys/sex = gross. I'm waiting with baited breath for the hormones to start going crazy and all that to change dramatically.

I'm not completely naïve, I remember from my own youth what young teenage girls were like at that age (in the 90's), but I've always thought that at 13, only a small minority were actually sexually active? Sure, a few years later, by 16, probably the majority of girls were, but in my mind there's a big jump from 13 to 15. But so far, given my daughter's attitude and behaviour, I've no reason to think she's a sexually active 13 yo. And she'd have to be selling me a magnificent cover story to hide what she's really getting up to.

But it came up in conversation with my dp the other day (who knows my dd reasonably well, but we don't live together, and no way would any of us consider her as a step parent). DP was insistent that it's 'very common' for most 13 y/o girls to be sexually active, and there's every chance dd is getting with boys already, and that she's just putting on a sweet and innocent act for me as a cover up. DP basically did a character assassination on dd and told me she's a perpetual liar and I shouldn't believe anything she says (I know she lies and withholds some things from me, but nothing serious). I think that's a bit of a leap tbh, or maybe I am just totally sucked in by my dd's very good act?

I know that DP was sexually active from 13 and from that age had a several much older boyfriends (20's) up to when she got pregnant at 15 by a 28 year old bloke. So from her perspective, DP thinks that was pretty normal. But I think even in the 90's that wasn't particularly common? And these days I get the impression that it's a lot rarer for teenage girls to have much older boyfriends. It just seems less socially acceptable, or is it because I'm viewing it from a very different perspective now?

I'm going to have to have another chat with dd about it, but I'm struggling to see things from dp's view that dd has pulled the wool over my eyes with lies and an elaborate cover up.

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Discovereads · 31/10/2022 13:41

No most girls are not sexually actively at 13, in fact most are not sexually active at 16:

The average age of sexual debut in the UK is 16 – 17. While most young people nowadays have not had sexual intercourse by the time they turn sixteen, between a third and half have.
www.nhsborders.scot.nhs.uk/patients-and-visitors/our-services/general-services/underage-sexual-activity-interagency-guidance/sexual-activity-and-the-under-sixteens/#:~:text=The%20average%20age%20of%20sexual,a%20third%20and%20half%20have.

Your partner is sadly in denial about having been groomed and raped as a child:
I know that DP was sexually active from 13 and from that age had a several much older boyfriends (20's) up to when she got pregnant at 15 by a 28 year old bloke. So from her perspective, DP thinks that was pretty normal.

She is only saying it’s “normal” because that’s what her 28yr old rapist brainwashed her to think so he could rape and impregnate her at 15yrs old. Gaslighting like that can last a lifetime. And she may be projecting some self-hate and self-blame onto your DD by the awful things she’s saying about her.

Dreamingcats · 31/10/2022 13:41

Wasn't normal in my friendship group but also wasn't uncommon. I know of three girls who lost their virginity at 12 or 13. Most of my friends were at uni, so 18 or 19.

I also know at least 5 who waited until marriage.

Mardyface · 31/10/2022 13:44

PeachPies · 31/10/2022 13:36

15 would definitely be normal.

The only kids that were virgins at 15 when I was at school were the ones no one wanted to sleep with Blush

This is a fucking vile attitude. I hope kids these days don't have to fit in with this ridiculous societal pressure. Girls shouldn't be having sex until they actually desire it and are able to say 'yes that feels nice' or 'no not like that'. there was a load of furkling round behind bushes giving boys blow jobs and having painful sex when I was this age. I'm sure there are 15 year old girls who actively desire sex and enjoy it, but I don't think this will be true for the majority. It'll be all about 'losing it' and making sure boys are satisfied.

littleburn · 31/10/2022 13:45

Having done a user name search (as I was a bit uncomfortable with the subject matter), OP I think you just need to focus on believing and being supportive of your daughter. Quizzing her on whether she's sexually active because your partner says she must be and that she's a liar if she says she isn't ... that's just not good or healthy.

Your partner was abused if she had older boyfriends at such a young age. It sounds like she's potentially damaged from that and now projecting on to your daughter.

PeachPies · 31/10/2022 13:46

Mardyface · 31/10/2022 13:44

This is a fucking vile attitude. I hope kids these days don't have to fit in with this ridiculous societal pressure. Girls shouldn't be having sex until they actually desire it and are able to say 'yes that feels nice' or 'no not like that'. there was a load of furkling round behind bushes giving boys blow jobs and having painful sex when I was this age. I'm sure there are 15 year old girls who actively desire sex and enjoy it, but I don't think this will be true for the majority. It'll be all about 'losing it' and making sure boys are satisfied.

Hardly a vile attitude

what I meant was the only people that were virgins at 15 when I was at school were the ones who didn’t have partners or weren’t attractive.

Hardly societal pressure, more a fact of life

Mardyface · 31/10/2022 13:47

PeachPies · 31/10/2022 13:46

Hardly a vile attitude

what I meant was the only people that were virgins at 15 when I was at school were the ones who didn’t have partners or weren’t attractive.

Hardly societal pressure, more a fact of life

What did you do an empirical study or something?

PeachPies · 31/10/2022 13:48

Mardyface · 31/10/2022 13:47

What did you do an empirical study or something?

I’ve said multiple times when I was at school.

Maybe you can read properly instead of getting overly sensitive about this. I’m wondering if you were a ‘late bloomer’ and it’s hitting a bit close to home

Discovereads · 31/10/2022 13:48

@PeachPies
The only kids that were virgins at 15 when I was at school were the ones no one wanted to sleep with

Im so sorry the 15yr old you was fed such harmful propaganda. It’s a great example of how girls get pressured into sex when they are not ready. This narrative that if you’re not having sex at 15 then you’re too ugly to fuck is blatant peer pressure. I hope you know this now, and it’s sad you had to cope with this.

PeachPies · 31/10/2022 13:51

Discovereads · 31/10/2022 13:48

@PeachPies
The only kids that were virgins at 15 when I was at school were the ones no one wanted to sleep with

Im so sorry the 15yr old you was fed such harmful propaganda. It’s a great example of how girls get pressured into sex when they are not ready. This narrative that if you’re not having sex at 15 then you’re too ugly to fuck is blatant peer pressure. I hope you know this now, and it’s sad you had to cope with this.

another overly sensitive reply to a pretty inane and accurate comment.

It wasn’t a case of if you’re not having sex you’re too ugly to fuck, it just so happened that the only kids that were still virgins in my year group and the one above were virgins for a reason.

They were the strange children and/or ugly ones. They didn’t have relationships. There were plenty of ugly kids that did have sex before 15, but they were in relationships.

Discovereads · 31/10/2022 13:53

@PeachPies
what I meant was the only people that were virgins at 15 when I was at school were the ones who didn’t have partners or weren’t attractive. Hardly societal pressure, more a fact of life

Oh dear, you are still brainwashed all these years later to think that being a virgin at 15 means you’re unattractive or no one wants to sleep with you. You have to know this isn’t in the slightest bit true. Any girl can get sex if she wants it. You are failing to understand that many 15yo girls genuinely don’t want sex.

Mardyface · 31/10/2022 13:54

PeachPies · 31/10/2022 13:48

I’ve said multiple times when I was at school.

Maybe you can read properly instead of getting overly sensitive about this. I’m wondering if you were a ‘late bloomer’ and it’s hitting a bit close to home

Ha! If true, the only way this 'crack' would hit close to home would be if I agreed with you. Which I don't.

  1. I don't believe you knew the sexual status of everyone in your year
  2. Not having a relationship at 15 doesn't make you strange and being ugly doesn't stop you having sex.
Think you might not long have left school with these attitudes.
PeachPies · 31/10/2022 13:56

Mardyface · 31/10/2022 13:54

Ha! If true, the only way this 'crack' would hit close to home would be if I agreed with you. Which I don't.

  1. I don't believe you knew the sexual status of everyone in your year
  2. Not having a relationship at 15 doesn't make you strange and being ugly doesn't stop you having sex.
Think you might not long have left school with these attitudes.

I never said not having sex at 15 was strange, I also didn’t say it was odd or that being ugly stopped you from having sex.

Again, reading properly would help you here

PeachPies · 31/10/2022 13:58

Discovereads · 31/10/2022 13:53

@PeachPies
what I meant was the only people that were virgins at 15 when I was at school were the ones who didn’t have partners or weren’t attractive. Hardly societal pressure, more a fact of life

Oh dear, you are still brainwashed all these years later to think that being a virgin at 15 means you’re unattractive or no one wants to sleep with you. You have to know this isn’t in the slightest bit true. Any girl can get sex if she wants it. You are failing to understand that many 15yo girls genuinely don’t want sex.

Nope

again, never said being a virgin at 15 means you’re unattractive.

I merely said when I was at school it just so happened the only people who were virgins at 15 weren’t attractive and or a bit weird.

Plenty of ugly fuckers were having sex.

Discovereads · 31/10/2022 14:01

@PeachPies
It’s not an inane comment, nor is it accurate. Your thinking has been twisted and warped to genuinely think and say that the 15yr olds not having sex ”were the strange children and/or ugly ones.”

That is a disgusting and misogynist opinion because it implies “normal” underage teen girls are gagging for it, and it theyre not, theyre strange or ugly. 🤬🤬🤬

Mardyface · 31/10/2022 14:01

Yeah @peachpies you need to read your own posts love. I'm only replying to what you're saying.

Mardyface · 31/10/2022 14:02

eg They were the strange children and/or ugly ones. They didn’t have relationships.

PeachPies · 31/10/2022 14:05

Discovereads · 31/10/2022 14:01

@PeachPies
It’s not an inane comment, nor is it accurate. Your thinking has been twisted and warped to genuinely think and say that the 15yr olds not having sex ”were the strange children and/or ugly ones.”

That is a disgusting and misogynist opinion because it implies “normal” underage teen girls are gagging for it, and it theyre not, theyre strange or ugly. 🤬🤬🤬

Again, lacking in reading comprehension skills

i didn’t say not having sex made these kids weird or ugly

i was simply saying for my year group and the one above it just so happened that every virgin at 15 was a weird or ugly kid.

Also who said anything about girls? Most of those who were virgins at 15 were boys for my year anyway.

If you put half as much effort into English at school as you do replying on here, you’d not be having this much difficulty understanding.

PeachPies · 31/10/2022 14:06

Mardyface · 31/10/2022 14:01

Yeah @peachpies you need to read your own posts love. I'm only replying to what you're saying.

You’re really not

You’ve misread and it’s actually a bit sad you keep trying to pretend otherwise.

I’d draw you a Venn diagram if I thought you’d understand what it meant

Discovereads · 31/10/2022 14:09

@PeachPies

The only kids that were virgins at 15 when I was at school were the ones no one wanted to sleep with
The only kids that were still virgins in my year group and the one above were virgins for a reason. They were the strange children and/or ugly ones.

I hope you’re not grooming your children to think if they don’t have sex while underage, then they are strange and/or ugly? This is a serious safeguarding concern. No mother should be telling a child that not wanting/not having sex before the legal age of consent is strange and/or means they are ugly.

Mardyface · 31/10/2022 14:10

I'm not pretending anything @peachpies. You're funny. And very young I suspect.

Why did you need the blushing emoji in your first post if you were not suggesting there was something wrong with 15 year old virgins? The only kids that were virgins at 15 when I was at school were the ones no one wanted to sleep with is what you said. I'm not sure what I'm reading incorrectly.

Discovereads · 31/10/2022 14:11

@PeachPies
i was simply saying for my year group and the one above it just so happened that every virgin at 15 was a weird or ugly kid.

It just so happened my arse, that’s not a coincidence that happens in reality.

Choconut · 31/10/2022 14:14

No point arguing because you can't argue with stupid.

I was a teen in the late 80's/early 90's and no one was having sex before 15 and most not till 16/17+. It probably does vary with area but what happened to your partner was child abuse and not 'normal' by any stretch of the imagination.

I think the most worrying thing though is her 'character assassination' of your dd and suggesting she perpetually lies. That would be the end of the relationship for me. It's normal for teenagers to tell some lies as they try to become more autonomous and grown up but what your DP is saying does not sound nice at all and I would not want to be in a relationship with someone who thought so little of my daughter.

PeachPies · 31/10/2022 14:14

Discovereads · 31/10/2022 14:09

@PeachPies

The only kids that were virgins at 15 when I was at school were the ones no one wanted to sleep with
The only kids that were still virgins in my year group and the one above were virgins for a reason. They were the strange children and/or ugly ones.

I hope you’re not grooming your children to think if they don’t have sex while underage, then they are strange and/or ugly? This is a serious safeguarding concern. No mother should be telling a child that not wanting/not having sex before the legal age of consent is strange and/or means they are ugly.

You seem to still be struggling with this

Apologies if English isn’t your first language but at this point it’s getting a bit silly.

No one has said they were strange or ugly for not having sex.

It just so happened those who were virgins when I was at school at 15 were the ones who weren’t in relationships and or weird/ugly

There were plenty of weird and ugly kids who had lost their virginity at 15 (even Josh who was obsessed with washing machines and had to leave class 5 mins before the bell to get headphones on was cracking on with 2 different girls at one point) I was merely commenting on those who were ‘left’

Choconut · 31/10/2022 14:15

PeachPies · 31/10/2022 14:14

You seem to still be struggling with this

Apologies if English isn’t your first language but at this point it’s getting a bit silly.

No one has said they were strange or ugly for not having sex.

It just so happened those who were virgins when I was at school at 15 were the ones who weren’t in relationships and or weird/ugly

There were plenty of weird and ugly kids who had lost their virginity at 15 (even Josh who was obsessed with washing machines and had to leave class 5 mins before the bell to get headphones on was cracking on with 2 different girls at one point) I was merely commenting on those who were ‘left’

It's pretty obvious that 'Josh' was autistic so I really would stop now if I was you.