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Help! I kicked my 17 dd to her dad's house after a bad row

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shawarmakarma · 28/06/2020 16:15

Hi, I need advice please.
My 17 year old DD lives with me and her stepdad, and has done for 10 years. We have had her 90% of that time. No other young kids.
Her dad lives 10 km away. We co-parent very well, though he is pretty wimpy and has always sided with her, given in to her will and defied anything I ever tried to impose on her in terms of rules, when she was young and when we were still married.

She is a lovely girl in many ways, but I also find her very rude and selfish (only child). She is beautiful and smart and she will often send me texts to say how much she loves me (normally accompanied by a selfie, at a party).

But...she is entitled and selfish. She has a whole wing to herself in our house with two spare bedrooms for sleepovers with friend etc...
We bought her a car after she passed her license recently. Shared cost with her dad. It's a Peugeot 206 - nice car, I think. Butt her friends all have Audis and she thinks her car is a piece of shit. She goes to a private school and has had plenty of international holidays.

Her rudeness to me over the years has caused problems with her stepdad, my DH, who doesn't put up with it (and has two, very well adjusted 30 year old kids). He's military. I'd say he has been a bit cold towards her over the years because of her attitude. She spends weeks with us, then a week with her dad, then back to us.
She has told me umpteen times that she prefers staying with us because it's close to her friends and she saves on fuel living here. But that she prefers to stay with her dad.

Anyway, to make a long story short, she behaved incredibly selfishly the other day (as usual). I slept downstairs because I had insomnia that night. I also had a nosebleed in the night and I left a single piece of toilet paper on the floor in the corridor in her wing of the house. When I woke up in the morning, I didn't notice it and called out a cheery "good morning" to her. I then got a comment about the toilet paper. I said "oh, I had a nosebleed in the night, it must be from that". I was already irritated by her comment. She then yelled out "this is a shared space, you know", really bitchy and slammed the door in my face. I reacted badly and swore over and over under my breath "fucking bitch, fucking bitch". - Yes, I know this was wrong but I was at the end of my tether after weeks of rudeness.

Anyway, to make a long story short, I tried to talk to her about it that afternoon after school/ work and it descended into chaos. She heard my comments and wanted an apology, which I was unwilling to give. She screamed at me at the top of her voice that I should fuck off and get fucked and fuck off some more. My husband came in to try to calm her down and she screamed at him to fuck off too. Bad decision. Anyway, it got worse and worse. I told her then that I couldn't live like this any longer with her swearing at me and asked her to leave for a while to live with her dad.
She started crying/screaming, asking me if I was kicking her out. I replied that I felt guilty about it but that I definitely wanted her to leave and that she was only living with us because her friends live 5 minutes away. Then she called me a cunt. She called me a cunt of a mother. The worst fucking mother in the world.

And then she left. I texted her dad to tell him what had happened. He replied 'ok'. This was 5 days ago.

She came home a couple of times during the week to collect some things. My husband was working from home and had an unfortunate confrontation with her. He told her to text us when she comes over to get her stuff because living here is a privilege and that he would change the locks on her for her behaviour.

She has phoned me tonight, screaming at me that changing the locks on her is abuse and how can I be married to someone who would do that to her. I told her that I can't listen to her screaming at me and I hung up.

I still pay her allowance and her gym membership.

She will be 18 in 5 weeks.

She also screamed at me that she told everyone what we had done to her (kicking her out and changing the locks) and that everyone is on her side.

From my viewpoint, I wish my husband hadn't said that about the locks, but he was so fed up with her coming and going after she was so rude, and thinking that nobody was home so she could skulk in and get her stuff.

To be honest, I am bereft, sad, desperately grieving. I am also glad that all the drama is gone. But I can't enjoy that she's not here because I feel so guilty. When the drama kicked off in her room while we were arguing, why didn't I just walk away? I feel like I contributed to it. I feel so guilty.

Please, some advice. xx

OP posts:
lowlandLucky · 28/06/2020 18:07

She is a 17 year old brat, she is the product ofyou and her Father. In 5 weeks time she will be an adult, let her be one. She pays for her phone, gym, insurance etc and the Allowance stops. First thing you need to do is write to her and apologise for calling her a bitch.

anon5000 · 28/06/2020 18:07

@fairlyplump

Oh my word, I am sorry but you have raised an incredibly spoiled, abusive, entitled brat. She sound thoroughly awful, Verruca Salt from Willy Wonka comes to mind. Let her stew, and perhaps print some the these comment for her to read. Be cruelty be kind, if you want her to turn into a half decent adult.
You want the Op to show her daughter a thread full of randoms on the internet calling her names?

I'd call that abuse and bullying.

Gncq · 28/06/2020 18:08

I'd have probably done the same by the way.

CorianderLord · 28/06/2020 18:10

I mean she didn't say much and you started calling her a fucking bitch?

I remember my mum doing the muttering thing and it's fucking rude and cruel. She's a teen, they're always quick to rage but you really should have apologised. You were really nasty.

You then kicked her out and told her she wasn't allowed to come round anymore.

Sorry but you've behaved appallingly and really nastily imo. You've just constantly escalated a tiny thing. She said one comment and you've exploded and ended up kicking her out and saying your child isn't welcome here anymore.

Awful.

LovingLola · 28/06/2020 18:11

All mad stuff!

BobbyTheVetIsMyHero · 28/06/2020 18:11

Without casting judgement on who said what to whom or how you got into the situation you're in, her having some space from you could be a really good thing.

Speaking from experience as a daughter, there's a point where living with your mum can't not be frustrated at toxic. Moving out was the best thing I ever did for my relationship with mine.

BobbyTheVetIsMyHero · 28/06/2020 18:12

And*

Fightthebear · 28/06/2020 18:12

“She heard my comments and wanted an apology, which I was unwilling to give. She screamed at me at the top of her voice that I should fuck off and get fucked and fuck off some more“

No, the dd heard the op calling her a “fucking bitch” repeatedly and when it was discussed later op refused to apologise.

Nancydrawn · 28/06/2020 18:20

You've behaved appallingly, OP.

You escalated a small situation by calling her a fucking bitch. You didn't even have the guts to say it to her face--you passive aggressively muttered it loud enough for her to hear but soft enough that you could deny it.

You then refused to apologize for calling her a fucking bitch.

You left consequences to your husband, who has been cold to her for years. Teenagers acting out isn't a revelation, and cold and critical is no way to make them feel welcome.

You described her home as a privilege and threatened to change the locks.

Should she have sworn at you? No. But you started it and you're the adult. Her frontal cortex isn't even fully developed! How do you expect her to have more self-control than you do?

The things you give her are by the by. If she doesn't appreciate them, that's a separate matter.

But you don't get to buy her love with things, and you also don't get to buy her obedience and her patience. Those are things you build from your own love and patience. You don't get to buy permission to verbally abuse her.

You don't get to say, I'm going to give you a car, and in return I'm allowed to call you a fucking bitch, not apologize, and you have to swallow it.

She behaved badly. You behaved far worse, and you betrayed her trust in you as a safe space for her to make mistakes and make up for them.

I would take a long hard look in the mirror.

SunbathingDragon · 28/06/2020 18:31

I think you need to write to her and I’d suggest looking at some form of family counselling since you don’t seem to be able to have a civil conversation yet presumably want to have a good relationship in the future.

FrippEnos · 28/06/2020 18:33

You are looking in entirely the wrong direction.

You have modelled how she should act and she has acted that way.

On top of that her SD sounds like a prick.

I hope that she is happy with her father.

Moonshinemisses · 28/06/2020 18:34

OP as a mother of 4 teens I just wanted to say I don't blame you at all. I'm not sure if all the posters blaming you actually have teens but its fucking hard. I've raised my 4 all the same 2 sailed through the teens & 2 can be rude, obnoxious, selfish, entitled little jerks at times. Let her stew in her own juices for a while at her dad's & enjoy the calm in your house. I doubt it'll be the last blowout before she moves out in a few years. She gives it out to you because she knows it's a safe place to do it. Hang on in there, this to shall pass.

Quartz2208 · 28/06/2020 18:40

As always in these threads there is a lot of what you have given her materially but very little emotional stuff.

She may well have a wing of the house, money, cars and holidays but what she needs is a mother - the fact she texts you to say she loves you is a girl screaming for some love and attention.

You yourself say her stepfather is cold - how much was giving her the space so you could have space

You should feel guilty you have caused this - she needed parenting and in your post the only things you seem to have done parenting wise relates to money

CrazyTimesAreOccurring · 28/06/2020 18:40

@Moonshinemisses

OP as a mother of 4 teens I just wanted to say I don't blame you at all. I'm not sure if all the posters blaming you actually have teens but its fucking hard. I've raised my 4 all the same 2 sailed through the teens & 2 can be rude, obnoxious, selfish, entitled little jerks at times. Let her stew in her own juices for a while at her dad's & enjoy the calm in your house. I doubt it'll be the last blowout before she moves out in a few years. She gives it out to you because she knows it's a safe place to do it. Hang on in there, this to shall pass.
This ^^ exactly
Redroses05 · 28/06/2020 18:50

@FrippEnos

You are looking in entirely the wrong direction.

You have modelled how she should act and she has acted that way.

On top of that her SD sounds like a prick.

I hope that she is happy with her father.

Honestly some of these comments on here. I will be interested to hear OPs update in a few weeks. If OP is such a Horrendous mother why can she not live with her dad permanently she drives so it cannot be that difficult to get from A to B. The dad also has played his role too in spoiling the child too. They both need to be firmer OPs daughter is not 13 she’s 18 nearly. OP doesn’t have to have her daughter living with her and if she as being abused he would move out or go and live with her dad. I’m surprised the step dad has stuck around!!
3rdNamechange · 28/06/2020 18:50

I take it she's off school ? Get her volunteering at a food bank or homeless shelter.

YgritteSnow · 28/06/2020 18:53

@CrazyTimesAreOccurring I have a 14 year old and a 17 year old. I've never called either of them a fucking bitch repeatedly under my breath then refused to apologise. Would you apologise if you'd done that, out of interest? I have done plenty wrong, and they've had their moments believe me but I always apologise, I don't gang up on them with a step dad and let him nit pick at them over the years either. Maybe that's why mine aren't calling me a cunt - well not to my face anyway.

FrippEnos · 28/06/2020 18:55

Redroses05

where did I say that the DD was being abused?

Redroses05 · 28/06/2020 18:56

@FrippEnos

Redroses05

where did I say that the DD was being abused?

I said some of these comments...
Twizzleisadancer · 28/06/2020 19:43

you sound horrible. allowing a man to treat her coldly for years might be part of the problem, she can clearly see how disliked she is by both of you. Teens are not easy, but her behaviour is a symptom of your parenting over the years and how she is feeling - which clearly is not happy. nice cars and fancy bedrooms can't heal emotional wounds caused by what has happened

calling her a fucking bitch is inexcusable. you are the adult here. i can see now where she learned to swear back at you, that's something you've modelled to her. you say her dad is wimpy? maybe he is not actually wimpy but treats his daughter with respect.

you will lose your daughter and the relationship you want to have with her unless you fix this and fast. you need to apologise for your role in all this and actually show her you love her.

BigBadVoodooHat · 28/06/2020 22:13

She has a whole wing to herself in our house

Of course she does.

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FrippEnos · 28/06/2020 22:18

@Redroses05

So why are you quoting me?

Is there something you would like to say about my post?

AnotherEmma · 28/06/2020 22:24

I agree with Nancydrawn, especially this:

"you don't get to buy her love with things, and you also don't get to buy her obedience and her patience. Those are things you build from your own love and patience. You don't get to buy permission to verbally abuse her.

You don't get to say, I'm going to give you a car, and in return I'm allowed to call you a fucking bitch, not apologize, and you have to swallow it.

She behaved badly. You behaved far worse, and you betrayed her trust in you as a safe space for her to make mistakes and make up for them."

I wonder if the OP will return...

BigBadVoodooHat · 28/06/2020 22:28

I wonder if the OP will return...

She’s probably forgotten which wing of the house she left her phone in 🤷‍♀️

InFiveMins · 28/06/2020 22:29

Your partner is the problem. Put your relationship with your daughter first. Living at her own house is not a "privilege". Why do you allow him to treat her like shit?