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Help! I kicked my 17 dd to her dad's house after a bad row

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shawarmakarma · 28/06/2020 16:15

Hi, I need advice please.
My 17 year old DD lives with me and her stepdad, and has done for 10 years. We have had her 90% of that time. No other young kids.
Her dad lives 10 km away. We co-parent very well, though he is pretty wimpy and has always sided with her, given in to her will and defied anything I ever tried to impose on her in terms of rules, when she was young and when we were still married.

She is a lovely girl in many ways, but I also find her very rude and selfish (only child). She is beautiful and smart and she will often send me texts to say how much she loves me (normally accompanied by a selfie, at a party).

But...she is entitled and selfish. She has a whole wing to herself in our house with two spare bedrooms for sleepovers with friend etc...
We bought her a car after she passed her license recently. Shared cost with her dad. It's a Peugeot 206 - nice car, I think. Butt her friends all have Audis and she thinks her car is a piece of shit. She goes to a private school and has had plenty of international holidays.

Her rudeness to me over the years has caused problems with her stepdad, my DH, who doesn't put up with it (and has two, very well adjusted 30 year old kids). He's military. I'd say he has been a bit cold towards her over the years because of her attitude. She spends weeks with us, then a week with her dad, then back to us.
She has told me umpteen times that she prefers staying with us because it's close to her friends and she saves on fuel living here. But that she prefers to stay with her dad.

Anyway, to make a long story short, she behaved incredibly selfishly the other day (as usual). I slept downstairs because I had insomnia that night. I also had a nosebleed in the night and I left a single piece of toilet paper on the floor in the corridor in her wing of the house. When I woke up in the morning, I didn't notice it and called out a cheery "good morning" to her. I then got a comment about the toilet paper. I said "oh, I had a nosebleed in the night, it must be from that". I was already irritated by her comment. She then yelled out "this is a shared space, you know", really bitchy and slammed the door in my face. I reacted badly and swore over and over under my breath "fucking bitch, fucking bitch". - Yes, I know this was wrong but I was at the end of my tether after weeks of rudeness.

Anyway, to make a long story short, I tried to talk to her about it that afternoon after school/ work and it descended into chaos. She heard my comments and wanted an apology, which I was unwilling to give. She screamed at me at the top of her voice that I should fuck off and get fucked and fuck off some more. My husband came in to try to calm her down and she screamed at him to fuck off too. Bad decision. Anyway, it got worse and worse. I told her then that I couldn't live like this any longer with her swearing at me and asked her to leave for a while to live with her dad.
She started crying/screaming, asking me if I was kicking her out. I replied that I felt guilty about it but that I definitely wanted her to leave and that she was only living with us because her friends live 5 minutes away. Then she called me a cunt. She called me a cunt of a mother. The worst fucking mother in the world.

And then she left. I texted her dad to tell him what had happened. He replied 'ok'. This was 5 days ago.

She came home a couple of times during the week to collect some things. My husband was working from home and had an unfortunate confrontation with her. He told her to text us when she comes over to get her stuff because living here is a privilege and that he would change the locks on her for her behaviour.

She has phoned me tonight, screaming at me that changing the locks on her is abuse and how can I be married to someone who would do that to her. I told her that I can't listen to her screaming at me and I hung up.

I still pay her allowance and her gym membership.

She will be 18 in 5 weeks.

She also screamed at me that she told everyone what we had done to her (kicking her out and changing the locks) and that everyone is on her side.

From my viewpoint, I wish my husband hadn't said that about the locks, but he was so fed up with her coming and going after she was so rude, and thinking that nobody was home so she could skulk in and get her stuff.

To be honest, I am bereft, sad, desperately grieving. I am also glad that all the drama is gone. But I can't enjoy that she's not here because I feel so guilty. When the drama kicked off in her room while we were arguing, why didn't I just walk away? I feel like I contributed to it. I feel so guilty.

Please, some advice. xx

OP posts:
claireyjs · 28/06/2020 17:11

You've made a rod for your own back...shes is a spoilt selfish little madam. Some time with her Dad will probably be good for her. You need to take stock and re-evaluate how you treat her.

Haffdonga · 28/06/2020 17:15

You swore at her. You threw her out for swearing at you. Confused

A bit of swearing is par for the course with a teen and you have turned yourself into a hypocrite by picking that particular battle. I'd be much more concerned about your dh's 'coldness' towards her and willingness to turn the fight between dm and dd nuclear with the locks comment. How quick he was to push matters to a no coming back state.

Frankly I think your dd would be better off staying with her dad permanently and you all owe each other apologies (you, your dd and your dh).

reinacorriendo · 28/06/2020 17:15

I read it first off as the DD was doing all the name calling. It’s sad you’ve called her home a privilege, it’s her home.

anon5000 · 28/06/2020 17:16

You need to talk to your husband about his cold relationship with her.

YgritteSnow · 28/06/2020 17:21

Stop hiding behind your husband. You sound admiring of how he tackles her when it should he you doing that. Sounds like the tension has been building for years with your "military" husband stirring the pot. Telling her atr can't come and get her own possessions from her own home? Wtf? Yes she has behaved dreadfully but she's 17, you and your husband slagging her off to each other won't have helped - and don't say you don't. Kids pick up on this stuff over the years and then when they get the confidence and power to stand up for themselves, all hell breaks loose and that's what you're seeing now.

michelle1504 · 28/06/2020 17:28

OP I think you snapped after years of her treating you like shit. I don't blame you, she sounds like a right little shit.

She needs to learn to be an adult now. Stop her allowance, her gym membership etc.Give it a couple of weeks to cool down and write a letter.

anon5000 · 28/06/2020 17:30

@michelle1504

OP I think you snapped after years of her treating you like shit. I don't blame you, she sounds like a right little shit.

She needs to learn to be an adult now. Stop her allowance, her gym membership etc.Give it a couple of weeks to cool down and write a letter.

What about the years her stepdad has been cold towards her?
amusedtodeath1 · 28/06/2020 17:30

There's a problem and none of you are in the right, all of you have made mistakes. The letter idea is a good one, explain how you feel, that it's not her house but it is her home and as such everyone needs to respect each other. You need an honest non confrontational dialogue with her, admit you're not perfect and handled it badly but that she did too.

You can fix this but as the adult you will have to make the first move.

YgritteSnow · 28/06/2020 17:32

And when her own mother was repeatedly calling her a fucking bitch and then refused to apologise? I'd say it's the other way round - the dd snapped after years of nit picking and complaints from the step Dad.

anon5000 · 28/06/2020 17:34

@YgritteSnow

And when her own mother was repeatedly calling her a fucking bitch and then refused to apologise? I'd say it's the other way round - the dd snapped after years of nit picking and complaints from the step Dad.
Yep, that's my take on it too.
BlueJava · 28/06/2020 17:35

She sounds very spoilt and entitled but it's really not ok to call your DD a "fucking bitch" and not apologise. However, I would leave her at her Dad's place and not try and open up conversations unless she does. Your house will hopefully be calmer without her. Perhaps it won't be so fantastic at your Ex's place either. I'd let things simmer down though, she may come back, maybe not.

slipperywhensparticus · 28/06/2020 17:39

She is obviously spoilt she needs to learn if your asked to text before coming over you text before you come over

Her attitude wouldn't fly with me either

You owe your ex five weeks child support though

I would pay her allowance and gym etc till she turns 18 warn her first

CathyComesHome · 28/06/2020 17:39

You sound abusive. Your poor, poor daughter. Made to feel unsafe and unwelcome in her own home, called a “fucking bitch” over and over again just for not wanting blood-stained loo roll all over her bedroom (grim, since she probably assumed it was period blood), kicked out and not even allowed access to her own stuff.

Get into therapy with her right now, or you’ll cause no end of psychological damage.

Redroses05 · 28/06/2020 17:40

Gosh OP. I don’t know where to start!!!
As your thread goes on.... your are very aware that you have gave Your child TOO MUCH!! Having an only child you need to be more aware of these traits I say this as I also have an only too. At nearly 18 your daughter has full understanding of right and wrong. You have spoilt her terribly though and now you have made a rod for your own back.
How much of an allowance do you give her? Can she not get a job? The holidays would definitely be stopped.

CathyComesHome · 28/06/2020 17:41

It really disturbs me to read so many comments calling children (often children who are being emotionally abused) little madams, little shits, etc.

You remind me of that Youtuber who had her adopted child “rehomed.”

Children need loving and firm parenting. A child lashing out due to mistreatment and poor parenting is the victim.

slipperywhensparticus · 28/06/2020 17:42

I think your husband overreacted to her saying he would change the locks but what was the unfortunate encounter they had? Who started that?

Redroses05 · 28/06/2020 17:44

@michelle1504

OP I think you snapped after years of her treating you like shit. I don't blame you, she sounds like a right little shit.

She needs to learn to be an adult now. Stop her allowance, her gym membership etc.Give it a couple of weeks to cool down and write a letter.

I agree. The daughter is not that hard done by let’s be fair. OP swore big deal she is 17 FGS!! I can relate I had a couple of fallings out with my own mother around that age twice with my mother and she also threw me out. People shouldn’t judge unless they have actually experience of this. OP daughter actually started it first if you read she spoke to her mother in a rude manner.
Fightthebear · 28/06/2020 17:46

I think you should apologise to your dd first. You escalated the argument by repeatedly calling her a “fucking bitch” then not apologising. She escalated back.

Her being spoilt is a separate point to tackle.

Could you meet her for a coffee in a couple of days to talk? This needs to be de-escalated rather than ratcheting up by cancelling her allowance/gym membership.

VelociraptorRex · 28/06/2020 17:49

OP you know you've fucked up, but you've asked for help not more shouting. So I second what @fuzzymoon said - write a letter, don't send it until you've slept and re-read it. I was an absolutely awful teenager and put my mum through hell, we were as bad as each other, but she was my mum and I just wanted to feel safe and loved. Offer her that, and keep offering her that. And definitely don't change the locks.

maybemu · 28/06/2020 17:52

This girl needs a reality check. Let's hope daddy doesn't just give in to her. If it was me the car, phone, gym and money would be gone. You have these things as a privilege and you don't treat me with respect you loose the privilege. She needs some tough love. Stay strong

CarrotCakeCrumbs · 28/06/2020 17:59

Your daughter is spoilt and entitled for a reason, she needs a reality check and an attitude adjustment- but she is 17. Teenagers are not known for their maturity and I think alot of people would be upset at having to pick up a bloody tissue. I've gone mad at my partner when he hasn't cleaned up after his own nosebleeds in the past. A simple apology and letting her simmer down would have been better. Your husband is cold towards her, having had a step-dad who was less than fond of me growing up I can say that it hurts, it leads to a hell of a lot of anger and resentment and with her being incredibly spoilt it is no surprise that she has a poor attitude. A home is not a privelidge at 17 however beyond basic necessities she can go and get herself a job and save up for whatever she wants like most 17 year olds do. It sounds like going to her dads might be good idea because your home environment sounds toxic, not one of the adults in this situation are painted in a good light - your daughter has not been taught good values this is clear by her behaviour. It seems as though she has been given plenty of material things in her life but how much time and attention has she been given? I don't think your daughters behaviour was good by any means, but neither was yours or your husbands.

bringbacksideburns · 28/06/2020 18:00

Yes a bit of cursing happens but calling your mother a cunt??! Come on. I'd have been bounced out of the house. You shouldn't have sworn at her but no one is perfect and not everyone has the perfect teen.

You'll be told you are a terrible mother OP on here but I seriously think her father's is the best place for her right now. A cooling period of a few weeks may help.

If she decides to stay with her dad because he is softer than so be it. I know someone whose daughter did this at the same age - her newfound freedom backfired spectacularly and she had to grow up the hard way - and eventually went back to mum to pick up the pieces.

She does sound incredibly spoilt. My daughter is the same age ( god knows she can be hard work) - many of her friends were expensively educated and one is the son of a millionaire with a basement games room and an entire floor to himself at 18, as a self contained flat. She knows she can't compete financially
with them all and has accepted that. She works hard at weekends. When she is 18 we will pay half towards driving lessons. I doubt we can afford a car for her and she understands that.

A car is a tremendous priviledge in my world and something you earn. Even if i was well off i would be expecting something from my daughter in return for my generosity - if she doesnt have a part time job then at least some respect towards you and a nice manner in the house.

You are well overdue boundaries.
I still pay her allowance and her gym membership.
pack that in for a start!!

You're the worse mother in the world remember - so no allowance until an apology.

Don't enter into petty arguments. She knows exactly what she has been doing and how she's behaving so time to stand firm.
If you don't do it now she's going to be an unbearable adult with no concept of the real world and unable to stand on her own two feet.

fairlyplump · 28/06/2020 18:04

Oh my word, I am sorry but you have raised an incredibly spoiled, abusive, entitled brat. She sound thoroughly awful, Verruca Salt from Willy Wonka comes to mind. Let her stew, and perhaps print some the these comment for her to read. Be cruelty be kind, if you want her to turn into a half decent adult.

Gncq · 28/06/2020 18:07

OP didn't call her dd a "fucking bitch" she just said it to herself when dd was out of earshot right?

VettiyaIruken · 28/06/2020 18:07

She has 2 parents. There is nothing wrong with saying she needs to live with the other one for a while!

She is old enough to experience consequences!

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