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Feel right now that I hate my Son

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Octopus37 · 05/03/2020 20:34

Yes I know that sounds strong and I know I'm probably going to be slated. He is 12 nearly 13 and has been difficult for the last 3 years. He started school refusing in year 6, we got the GP involved and were referred to a parenting course which I started but couldn't continue cause of childcare. There was some low level bullying at school which we dealt with. He then started High School and was ok to start with, then started school refusing cause of anxiety over Drama lessons, again we liaised with school. He also had issues with constipation and we dealt with that through the GP and hospital. Things settled down but have been turbulent at time, he is passionate about football and has had two injuries, including a fracture in October; he had to have an MRI scan cause there was a shadow, we paid to have it done privately and all was fine. He had recently had another injury (muscular, have chased appointments up and recovery should be a couple of weeks. Reading this back I know it is obvious that he has been through a lot, but bloody hell so have we. All the time (as parents should) we have tried to sort things out, fix them, I ended up on ADs last year because of anxiety about his school refusal (have told him this tonight as I feel that he needs to know what he has done). The issue is that he is nasty, rude, entitled and lazy. My DH and I bend over backwards for him whilst trying to maintain boundaries. He thinks he is expected to do what we want all the time, but the reality is gets a lot of leaway and no pressure about schoolwork or anything. Tonight he had an options evening at school (he is year 8) and he refused to go cause he says he knows what he wants to do. I ended up going on my own, walking 20 mins there and back in the rain, I have been ill all week. As it was, the way they are doing everything has changed so good that I went. I tried to talk to him sensibly about not wanting to go and what he might be worried about. All the time I am trying to improve the atmosphere in our house as I grew up in quite a tense household and tbh had a far worse time at school than my Son. I didn't want problems when his Dad got home from work, so tried to resolve things, failed, he kicked off and I ended up getting very angry back. I told him that his behaviour was ruining our family life and me and his Dad's marriage (we have no time or closeness and constant stress, partly from other sources but mainly cause of him). We have another Son show is 10 who is difficult on occasion but not at the same level. Whilst I was out he told his Dad that I was putting pressure on him about his options, all because I have said in the past that I think it might be good for him to do Spanish cause he is good at it and because I suggested media studies (not an option anyway).I don't mind what he does and have told him that several times, have just said I want him to do things that he is interested in. He is clever and unfortunately very manipulative. He also told the GP (when he went for an appointment) that we put pressure on him about school attendance, I just don't want another letter about attendance. I've just (obviously) had enough right now, he has caused so much stress and upset and he is only 12. He is never ashamed of bad behaviour, doesn't seem to have a conscience, thinks he is right all the time, can be quite arrogant. I wasn't allowed to get away with much at all when I was a kid and my instinct is to always blame myself for everything, the opposite of his. I'm just at the end of my tether with family life at the moment. We don't have any family nearby, although my Sister is very supportive on the phone. I'm prepared to be slated and told that I should be prepared to sacrifice my life and well being completely.

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ShesGotBetteDavisEyes · 05/03/2020 20:47

What consequences does he face for being rude/nasty? Do you punish him?

ShesGotBetteDavisEyes · 05/03/2020 20:49

my dh and I bend over backwards for him

This stood out. Maybe you shouldn’t?

ScatteredMama82 · 05/03/2020 20:57

A few things jump out at me. You gave up on the parenting course ‘because of childcare’. You seem to be annoyed at him for having sports injuries and your need to pay for a private scan. You didn’t want problems when Dad got home...why? It’s like his problems are inconvenient?

Octopus37 · 05/03/2020 21:17

I’m not annoyed at g bing spirts injuries. That’s ridiculous and it was my decision to pay for a private scam cause he and we are worried. Yes his behaviour has caused inconvenience unsurprisingly. I’M guessing you don’t have teens or Pre-teens yet. Either that or you’re completely smug

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Staywithmemyblood · 05/03/2020 22:26

It sounds like you are struggling right now @Octopus37. Please know that you are not alone. Have you read 'the letter' at the start of the 'holding on to the end of the rope' thread? It really resonated with me and many others. Lots of support and good advice on the threads too.

We have similar problems to you, with our DD (14) school refusing. It is so frustrating, and I do get angry about it sometimes. Doesn't change anything though. Like you, I tend to blame myself for things, and that doesn't help either. I'm trying to emotionally detach from the drama and look after my own mental health - not always successfully, but I'm getting better at it.

Be kind to yourself and hang in there Flowers I know you don't hate your DS. You love him to bits, just like the rest of us love our teens, but the teenage behaviour is a total head fuck. I also like the Gerry Cinnamon song, Canter. It's apparently the advice he would've given to his younger self. Makes DH and I laugh when DD has been particularly challenging! I think it's lost on DD at the moment though 🤷‍♀️

Craftycorvid · 05/03/2020 22:43

You sound at the end of your tether, OP. I don’t have teens but recall being one: scared, miserable and pretty angry a lot of the time - unsurprisingly I expect I was a PiTA to live with. My advice, for what it’s worth, and it’s largely what I wish my mum had done: if turning out to an options evening on your tod is boiling your piss, don’t do it - he might regret not going, but that’s his journey. Allow him some mistakes - ok, not of the irretrievable disaster kind, just painful experience - and let him manage them. Do what you need to stay sane: booze, a little screaming session in the garden shed, cake - but PLEASE don’t tell him you need ADs because of him or make him responsible for your feelings. By all means say ‘DS, when you do/say x, I feel y.’ Give him space to talk and listen to what he says. He’s been through quite a lot from what you say. Comparing his childhood with yours in terms of hardship may lead him to feel worse. And bullying is shit. Really shit. Look after yourself and make sure you do things just for you.

Wearywithteens · 05/03/2020 23:01

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Mulledwineinajug · 05/03/2020 23:11

I’m surprised at the responses you’re getting tbh. I read your post and felt deeply sorry for your ds. He sounds like he is really really struggling and you are piling on guilt. He isn’t responsible for you needing antidepressants or for problems in your marriage. Telling him that he is is only going to lower his self esteem and make things a million times worse.
Why would he want to please you at the moment when he probably feels you hate him?

You’re seeing his struggles as a problem for you. You’re not looking at the impact on him.

He expressed his feelings to the doctor (he felt pressured re school attendance) and you got angry with him for it.

I really think you need to reframe the whole way you’re thinking about this. And separate from him a little bit. Is it the end of the world if he won go to his options evening? Would his going have made any difference to you walking there in the rain? No.

I really feel like you need to see your ds as a separate person who is struggling. It’s completely unfair to blame him for your own ill health, totally inappropriate and damaging.

I think you could benefit from some counselling for yourself, completely independently of him.

overnightangel · 05/03/2020 23:15

@ScatteredMama82 if you’re going to post at least read what has been said.
At no point does the OP say she is angry at him being injured or begrudge paying for the scans.

OP you say he knows what he wants to do, what is it?

Octopus37 · 06/03/2020 07:28

Thanks Mulledwine, but bear in mind this has been going on for three years. Sometimes surely kids do need to know what damage they have caused, why should they get away with making their parents lives a living hell. Trust me, you wouldn't feel sorry for my DS if you were living in our house and sitting here crying and shaking whilst your DH was trying to get him to go to school. He twists things as is very manipulative. As for marriage problems, his behaviour has caused a hell of a lot of strain. As for the options evening, I did need to go cause the way they are doing options has changed for year 8 this year.

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Octopus37 · 06/03/2020 07:31

O and funnily enough his problems are my problems, as guess what its usually the Mother who has to sort it out. As for problems about school attendance and feeling under pressure, yes I do expect him to go to school when he is able. I don't want another letter from school about his attendance. I can only guess that you have easy kids.

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fantasmasgoria1 · 06/03/2020 07:44

You have my sympathy and understanding. My brother whilst not quite as rude etc was a school refuser. My dad left it all to my mum because apparently he worked so hard he didn't need to do anything. He would skive off school at first and eventually school caught up with it. He then just stayed at home. He was being bullied but nothing was done at school to address this. The education welfare officer came out to discuss this. My dad then was embarrassed and started having a go at my brother for not going to school but it didn't help. The ewo then got him a place at a weekly boarding school for boys with mental health and behavioural issues and my brother went there for remaining 4 years. Mum was absolutely worn out by it all. She was stressed and a bag of nerves. Eventually things calmed but it was dreadful at the time. I guess there is no easy answer to your situation but you need to take care of you too. It's clearly having an effect on your health and you don't want to be really unwell. I would do as others have suggested and sanction him but long term its difficult.

notanurse2017 · 06/03/2020 07:50

Don't tell your ds that you are on ADs because of him. Really unfair.

MaidenMotherCrone · 06/03/2020 07:52

I agree with @Mulledwineinajug.

Stop being a martyr. You didn't have to go to the Options evening. Your son could access all the information himself at school.

You chose to go, in the rain when you were ill. It was your choice.

You grew up in a tense atmosphere. Your children can say the same.

ScatteredMama82 · 06/03/2020 08:01

Another op who is ‘prepared to be flamed’ but shoots down anyone who doesn’t pat her on the head and say YANBU. @Mulledwineinajug put it very well.

For what it’s worth OP I am not smug. I have a 10 year old son who has struggled to the point of self harm. So I think I am entitled to an opinion. I will say no more though as you don’t want to hear it. I wonder though if you react the same way to your son as you have done on here.

LefttoherownDevizes · 06/03/2020 08:10

Also you haven't answered yet Scott consequences. It sounds like there aren't any for him for his rudeness. Unless there are (no Xbox/football etc) what incentive is there for him to change?

Craftycorvid · 06/03/2020 08:14

He has certainly got a lot of power in the household right now, and you may say that’s what he wants, but people often push boundaries in order to know they are there. ‘Crying and shaking’ whilst your partner tried to get him to go to school sounds very distressing for everyone, but does your son see how upset you are? If so, that is again telling him it’s a way to have power over you. I don’t mean power in material ways, but psychologically. Do you know why he is refusing school? Sorry if I’ve missed this. You sound angry and upset that he doesn’t appear to care that he’s hurting you, and doesn’t acknowledge the pressure you are under caring for him. It sounds as though, implicitly at least, he’s well aware he’s the cause of distress.

Octopus37 · 06/03/2020 08:24

Scott, he gets his phone and xbox taken off him, this has happened today. No crafty, I was downstairs on here upset, he didn't see that this morning. At times he has refused school because of anxiety regarding specific lessons, last year there was an issue with his Drama teacher, which we sorted out.

As for wanting a pat on the back, no I don't Clearly I am the one who has got it all wrong. Well done to all of you for dealing with your teens so much more effectively than me. Just do bear in mind though that I have posted when I am been very upset and angry. O and by the way I don't shoot my Son down.

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Mulledwineinajug · 06/03/2020 08:47

The thing is, OP, there is a reason why your DS is behaving in this way. Yes, he needs clear boundaries.

It sounds absolutely awful for him actually. His dad forcing him to go to school when he feels unable to and his mum shaking and crying and blaming him for her anxiety in the background.

He isn’t responsible for your reaction, OP. Your anxiety is yours to manage. You can’t put that responsibility into your son. Most people wouldn’t be shaking and crying because their child was refusing to go to school. Anxiety is awful, I get that - but you need support with that and it’s nothing to do with your son. It’s really quite manipulative to tell him he has made you ill.

As for my children, they have their moments. I do have a teenager. No, I haven’t forced them to go to school when their mental health has been under threat (I home educated for a while, that’s not for everyone but there are other options). Yes, I have experienced anxiety and taken antidepressants. But I have never let it impact my DC in the way that you are. You have to step up and be the adult here, OP, you are responsible, not your DS. Your behaviour is contributing massively here and if you want his behaviour to improve, you’re going to have to stop scapegoating him and work on your own issues.

Turquoisesea · 06/03/2020 08:47

I think people are being unfair on the OP. Looking from the outside in it’s so easy to give advice but when you are living it it can be hell. My DS is 15 at the moment and is so rude, lazy and entitled, it’s hard not to feel utterly worn down by it all, We as parents don’t always handle it in the best way but not because we don’t love our children but just because we are at the end of out tether and the OP had obviously posted when she is finding things difficult so a bit of support wouldn’t go amiss rather than trying to make her feel worse! It’s not easy bringing up teenagers and pre-teens, you aren’t alone in feeling completed fed up with it all.

Mulledwineinajug · 06/03/2020 08:49

You don’t have to put up with rudeness. You take his Xbox away or whatever if he is rude.

But you also need to model decent behaviour and speak to him with respect. And listen to him. Or why would he respect you.

You needed to go to the options evening. Your son didn’t and his attendance at that made no difference to you going. You made a huge issue where there wasn’t one imo.

Octopus37 · 06/03/2020 09:02

Mulled up until now he has never known that my anxiety is mainly caused by him. As for his Dad forcing him to go to school, he didn't. The reason I am anxious is cause we have had all this before last year and it was a truly awful time not cause I'm some sort of freak. As for making an issue out of something, maybe it was just the straw that broke the camel's back, I genuinely didn't see a good reason why he wouldn't go to the options evening

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Mulledwineinajug · 06/03/2020 09:08

That’s all very well turquoisesea but nothing is going to change if the OP doesn’t address her own issues and stop blaming her DS.

I don’t think I’m attacking her, I think I’m saying that she needs support for herself and that her DS isn’t responsible.

Mulledwineinajug · 06/03/2020 09:10

Where did I say you’re a freak?

Your anxiety is not caused by your ds. He isn’t responsible for the way you are handling things.

That’s the part you don’t seem to get.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 06/03/2020 09:11

I agree with mulled wine

Why are you telling your son that he's responsible for you going on antidepressants or for the state of your marriage?

He's been struggling with whatever is going on for 3 years, since he was 9. That's not him being a teenager or trying to be the man of the house.

You stopped going on a parenting course because you didn't have childcare, so what did you do instead?

He's saying that he feels like you are pressuring him, which you deny and yet it comes out loud and clear in your posts.

He sounds like a very unhappy and troubled child and if you don't address it then his problems will only get bigger as he does.

Poor boy.