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Teenage daughter social skills

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TrumpingtonTowers · 01/10/2019 00:21

I wanted some advice on my 13yo daughters social interactions as I don’t feel this is normal teen behaviour. Most of this is taking place on social media or in school. She does not have unlimited internet access and does not have her phone in her bedroom. She is obsessed with her phone and messaging, she would go on it all waking hours if she could. Recently I looked at her messages as I was quite worried about the amount of fall outs she was having - hence I’m not sure how to raise things else she will know I’ve looked at her messages and I don’t want her to feel embarrassed, I also feel bad for invading her privacy.

I will try to bullet point it, as it’s a mess altogether.

She will get involved in other people’s arguments and, no other word for it, shit stir - ie screen shotting something someone has said about someone else and sending it to the other person. She tries to be manipulative to get people to do/say things against others and then tells the others what so and so has said.

She will tell people she might have ADHD, autism, that she has anxiety, depression - that she has been crying in her room all night, that she is starving herself, that she never sees her dad (he lives with us) as he is an alcoholic, that she is upset as people she is close to have died recently who haven’t - ie uncle, grandparent. A child who had died in a nearby town was made out to be a good friend of the family and all her friends rallied around to support her grieving - she had never met this child. It is all made up, seemingly to get attention / sympathy.

A boy asked her out, she was messaging him that night asking repeatedly if he loved her, and then virtually hounding the boy with a one sided argument as he didn’t reply quickly enough and eventually said he must hate her, sent lots of heartbreak/pain/angst memes to him, messaged all her friends saying they had broken up with crying emojis asking them to message him to find out why he “hates her”, the lad blocked her in the end. This was not a one off, she has done it to other boys, and is also the same with her friends - expecting an instant response and if she doesn’t get one that means her friend now hates her for some reason or is “being funny”.

Obviously it’s all attention seeking but in a negative way, she comes across as quite confident and does have friends who she also sees outside of school but she can’t carry on like this, someone will find out the stuff she is lying about, or someone will just exploit her obvious neediness.

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HennyPennyHorror · 01/10/2019 00:33

Gosh OP....I'd look into getting her some counselling. I really would. I have a DD just turned 15 and she's nothing like that and neither are her friends. They're always chatting online and on phones but they just share funny pictures or comment on one another's instagrams.

The amount of insecurity you describe needs support.

TrumpingtonTowers · 01/10/2019 00:48

It sounds awful but all I can think about is that if I try and get her counselling it will be straight into her messages to start a group chat “oh No, my parents say I have got to go to counselling, Help....”.

Apart from that, to get her to go to counselling and for it to be a meaningful experience means she has to admit she has a problem, and be open to change.

Outwardly you would never guess she is insecure, so to raise it I will have to say how I know. Also, I don’t want her to start deleting messages or changing her passcode as guilty as I feel, I am going to regularly look at her social media.

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HennyPennyHorror · 01/10/2019 01:04

Ok, here's the thing. She sounds like she badly needs help. She's very young...you are the one to decide if she goes or not...not her. You tell her she's going....no choice.

It sounds like you need to remove her phone but I'm wary of that myself as it just isolates them. As for her changing her passcode...she's only 13 and shouldn't HAVE one. You should have full access.

I don't with my DD any more but I did when she was 13....I have allowed her to go on social media since she was 12 but it was always supervised and checked.

Now I can trust her.

Your DD isn't showing you that she's mature enough for it.

Designerenvy · 01/10/2019 09:25

My 12 year old dd unless I dobsporafic checks on her phone and she's not allowed to clear history search ( well as far I know she doesn't but I'm sure she could out smart me easily on that one Hmm)
So I don't think it's wrong to check a 13 year old phone tbh.
Be honest with her, tell her your concerns. Ask her why she does these things.
But it does sound as if she need councelling.
She'll end up with no friends the way she's going and then she'll be evermore miserable
Its a very tough time for kids but I really think any child under 16 should be made aware that parents have a right to check their phones etc and parents should know all passwords.
Best of luck, I can understand your worry.

Designerenvy · 01/10/2019 09:26

Sorry....should have checked before I posted....first line ....dd knows I do sporadic checks on her phone

Kiwiinkits · 01/10/2019 09:32

She has a sort of addiction to what she’s getting from that phone. If you don’t believe me read Teen Brain by David Gillespie.

Kiwiinkits · 01/10/2019 09:33

is her dad around? Involved?

TrumpingtonTowers · 01/10/2019 09:35

I wasn’t sure whether it would be worth speaking to the school about it, as the problems are spilling over into school and perhaps they could refer to counselling.

The latest is she has decided she is “polyamury” and wants to date lots of boys and girls at the same time.... again this is an attention seeking thing, at one stage she had declared she was bisexual but when a girl asked her out she decided that she didn’t fancy girls - I know teenagers experiment with their sexuality but hers seems to just be for attention and the need to be different.

I have an older son, he didn’t show any of these behaviours.

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TrumpingtonTowers · 01/10/2019 09:36

Me and her dad are together, she lives with us.

We tried to engage her in several things recently to get her off the phone - DofE, various clubs, sports and “she can’t be bothered” by any of them.

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hairyturkey · 01/10/2019 09:36

Her self esteem must be rock bottom. I really would get her some counselling.

DoctorAllcome · 01/10/2019 09:41

OP
Your DD May have difficulty distinguishing whether social media is real or like reality TV. So, if she sees it like a fantasy world where she can be anyone and say anything, she will naturally make choices designed for maximum dramatic effect. She is a troll in the making. We see this in “reality” TV all the time. Shows throw together people picked by psychologists as incompatible and then they use artificial environments to stress them so that the audience can be entertained by the resultant drama. So it is no wonder that many kids just starting to use social media exhibit troll like behavior.

If this behavior is at all reflected off social media and IRL, then she is exhibiting signs of EUPD.

So anyway, I don’t think you need to admit to peeking at her messages to have a talk with her about the first item in regards to trolls. What they are. The kinds of things they do. The upset it causes to everyone around them. You can even talk about cyber bullying & the case of the girl who went to prison because she kept texting her bf to kill him self until he did. You can give her a talk on gaslighting in dating too. I think by teaching her the behaviors that are wrong and showing her examples of impacts she will take that on board and start improving her own behavior on social media.

You can discretely monitor to see if any changes....

TrumpingtonTowers · 01/10/2019 09:42

We have Qustodio on her phone, it shuts off the phone between 10pm and 8am, and limits Internet to 4 hours on a school day and 6 at the weekend. I have said to DP that we also have to stop being on our phones as much to set a good example, and to offer to watch things she likes on Netflix with her as we want her to interact with us, so try to offer things she likes. She likes going swimming which I take her to as often as I can but with working full time I can’t take her more than a couple times a week, this isn’t really enjoyable for me as she wants to “play” not swim and if I am trying to swim she is shrieking and splashing me, trying to have a piggy back, wants me to watch her doing handstands, wants me to let her stand on my hands and get flipped etc, I can engage her for a bit by having a race with her, but sometimes it’s the last thing I want to do after work - it’s very tiring.

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SolitudeAtAltitude · 01/10/2019 09:42

it's a thing, see: www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-49883030

it's called "sadfishing"

I think it needs addressing, but must be very hard.

In your shoes (I say this as a mum of teens) I would discuss this openly. I would tell her exactly what she is doing, why it is not ok. I would try to do this in a non-accusatory manner, cutting her slack for being young whilst also explaining it is just not ok to behave like this, and to ask her to find some empathy for the people who she treats like this.

I talk with my kids a lot about similar issues, about kids who look for drama and attention and what that is about.

It would have to be an ongoing conversation, not a one-off

FWIW I remember making stuff up as a 13 year old for attention (my life was so boring, I thought!) and ended up being corrected by my peers. Which was painful, but it stopped me behaving like that

adaline · 01/10/2019 09:44

Most attention seeking behaviour comes from poor self esteem.

I would really recommend getting in touch with CAHMS and getting her onto the waiting lists for counselling.

What was her primary school life like? Has she ever been bullied or excluded in any way? Is she a particularly unconfident child?

TrumpingtonTowers · 01/10/2019 09:46

Another thing she does is try to make people choose - if she has had an argument with someone and they have joint friends, she will try to make the joint friend drop the person who has upset her - she will bombard the joint friend with screenshots and messages showing that she is “in the right”.

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TrumpingtonTowers · 01/10/2019 09:54

Primary school was on the whole ok, although in year 5 and 6 she bullied another girl, also was doing the lies and possessiveness over friends. In year 7 it started off a bit crap tbh as the previous issues spilled over to secondary, we had some school refusal, some behaviour issues, but we moved end of year 7 and she did really well settling in at a new secondary and made lots of friends, said she felt like she was popular for the first time, she said she’d made a “fresh start” - we had no problems getting her to go into school, doing average academically, no behaviour problems reported.

I know everyone thinks their daughters are gorgeous but she is very attractive, she is quite well developed for her age, started periods at 10, she gets a lot of attention from boys. She is quite vain, constant posturing and looking at herself in a mirror/selfies, although I suppose you can still be vain and have self esteem issues?

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Designerenvy · 01/10/2019 10:03

Has your daughter any diagnosis? You say she says she's has adhd, autism....does she have a formal diagnosis?
If not, does she think she has and why would she think that?
Does she feel a bit different to her peers ? Can she relate to autism / adhd?
Just asking, cos girls can present very different and a lot more subtle than boys cos they mange to mask social problems better than boys. They make good actors .

TrumpingtonTowers · 01/10/2019 10:08

No she does not have a diagnosis of adhd or autism, when her friends were calling her out she said she was being assessed for autism to gain sympathy and excuse her behaviour.

She does not have any signs of adhd or autism, I am as sure as I can be about that, she has never been to see anyone regarding this, we have never said to her she might have autism.

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Herocomplex · 01/10/2019 10:09

I think you need to take some very definite action or your daughter is going to continue this destructive behaviour, it sounds like she’s already damaging herself and others around her.
She sounds desperate for attention and can’t differentiate between positive and negative kinds.

I think you need to have some very frank talks with her about what’s happening and where you need to see changes. She’s going to be very lost and lonely if she continues. She’s given away all her privacy by the sound of it as well by sharing so much.

I also think it’s going to be very difficult to do this by yourself, I think you need to seek some kind of family therapy.

I agree that minimising phone use would be a good idea, but that’s just a method of expressing the behaviour.

This sounds like a heartbreaking situation, seeing your child acting in this way.

TrumpingtonTowers · 01/10/2019 10:21

We found out about the child who had died being her “good friend” - he lived in our previous area so it would be plausible she knew him. The school phoned and said her friends had spoken to pastoral staff and said how upset she was and worrying about the funeral, she had written long texts to her friends about what her and this child had done together and how she now wanted to die too, she wrote the child’s name on her school books, said to her friends she was crying every night (she was not) - she did not know this child, we did not know this child’s family - we/she would not have been going to the funeral. I said to school that she didn’t know this child and I think the school spoke to her, we also said to her that she should not be lying about something like this as when the truth came out her friends would be upset she had lied about something like that and it would like stay with her throughout secondary. We asked her why she had done it and she just cried and said she didn’t know. Her dad told her not to mention it again at school to her friends, and to move on - to our knowledge she didn’t mention it again.

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Littlefish · 01/10/2019 10:26

I disagree that your dd doesn't have any signs of autism.

She sounds very like my dd who is currently being assessed for ASD.

It sounds like she is trying desperately to fit in, whilst completely misjudging social behaviour and relationships.

Please speak to the SENCo at school.

adaline · 01/10/2019 10:36

She does not have any signs of adhd or autism, I am as sure as I can be about that

I would disagree with that. I have Aspergers and some of her behaviours resonate with me. That desperate need to fit in, the mis-reading of social cues/acceptable behaviours, the lying - it all fits.

Girls on the spectrum present VERY differently to boys.

TrumpingtonTowers · 01/10/2019 10:36

@Littlefish even if she was diagnosed, she would be high functioning - what sort of help would she get? Where we live after the two year wait for assessment, she could get a diagnosis and nothing else not even a review and signposting to autism uk website - this wouldn’t help her now.

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TrumpingtonTowers · 01/10/2019 10:37

Sorry that sounds a bit arsey, not meant to sound that way - I am just saying that any help would be a long time coming, almost by the time she leaves school, and a diagnosis wouldn’t be a solution.

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adaline · 01/10/2019 10:40

A diagnosis could help her massively.

Please don't dismiss the importance of getting her help. This is not normal behaviour.

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