Aren't M&S clothes shite at the moment?

[BecauseImWorthIt]

Going to a party tomorrow. I have something to wear, but ended up with a couple of hours spare and decided to go and shop for something new. Nearest place with easy parking is a big M&S.

My God, how dreary are their clothes?! Shitey McShite of Shitesville.

Who buys all that stuff?

I was so disappointed not to be able to spend any money. I went round twice, in disbelief, convinced I must have missed all the nice stuff.

LOL at you all. Funny but I was thinking the other day that Farrow & Ball could bring out a few new recession colours. I was thinking Dead Cat Bounce, Quantitative Easing, Mervyn King and Recession Gray.

Watt - Hmm interesting. If you have flu and remove the snotty nose, raised temp, aching joints and headache, would it still be flu? I suppose the healing from outside in, is a bit like that. Perhaps by removing the symtoms of depression, it's impossible to feel properly depressed? Isn't it the basis on which CBT works?

Well I was thinking partly of CBT, yes. I suppose with the flu analogy the question would be whether the symptoms really do go away, or whether (as with flu treatments) the obvious symptoms are alleviated but you still feel like shit underneath. Or something.

lol at Farrow and Ball, and Bridget Jones's mum (I still remember Auntie Una bearing down in a fuschia two-peice)

Love this thread.

Can I beg for help? I bought a lovely skirt in the Boden sale (stripy hem skirt in brown, has bold brown flowers on it like Marrimekko print) and I'm looking for a slinky, vest type top to go with it, either in black or dark brown.

I can't go bra-less so needs to have non-spaghetti type strap. Preferably in slinky material not cotton/ lycra type unless very lightweight.

Will probably wear small cardi on top but I always get too hot so the vest does need to be decent enough to fully display.

I'll go and link the skirt....

www.boden.co.uk/en-GB/Womens-Skirts/Knee-Length-Skirts/WG327/Womens-Stripy-Hem-Skirt.html

I bought it in a smaller size so that it would sit on my waist not my hips, so it's just at knee length and no more.

Must say, it is fab.

that should be recession grey swedes.... tut tut

Hmmm yes I see. We need a man to come along and give us a few links to evidence and facts as to why you would or wouldn't still feel like shit.

Can't you get vest tops with built in bra things nowadays? Think I saw some in M & S (hiding behind the all shite clothes obviously) and thought they looked like a good idea.

EPPM - Noooo. F & B use only gray. Shame on you for not knowing that.

at paint colours and prosthesis

I'm not comfortable with equating 'looking good' with 'having value' (although of course at a personal level I completely succumb to this thinking, like most people). Is that what you mean Watt or am I being leaden.

Happy belated birthday BTW.

lol swedes, quite so.

Farrow and Ball version is clearly recession Gray in allusion to author John Gray who predicted the global crash back in 1998.

Just before he wrote Women are from Autumn, Men are From Winter.

I'm sure that CBT is right to allow some explanatory priority to behaviour as a cause not just a consequence of thought and mood. So that acting as if you were not unhappy can sometimes and to some degree -- dissolve some of the unhappiness. If only you can get started.

And there is also another longstanding strand of thought that being a good person is constituted in a disposition to act in certain ways, rather than in some pure set of motives that stand behind and serve as the cause of the behaviour. (So that it is different from the flu case in that it lacks a virus standing behind the symptoms and causing them.)

On this account you can become a good person just by imitating good actions often enough that the habit sticks.

Oh Watt. V sorry to have missed your birthday. Belated birthday greetings.

Lol at all the paint colours. I will def buy Dead Cat Bounce. Is tabby plus deep red?

You can say anything you like about men in the lingerie section of MN Lenin. They passed a rule letting us have that little bit of the internet to ourselves.

Lenin, I've swedes say much worse than that. (And she didn't get away with it.) As threadworm says, it's all a question of location.

Yes threadworm, that all makes very good sense indeed. I suppose it is the question of motive - or lack of attention to the question of motive - that bothers me.

Policy, thanks. It's your birthday very soon too, isn't it? This week? Yes the whole 'looking good'/'having value' equation is problematic.

S&B dept is very useful as a place where you can say what you like. It's like stepping out of a hurricane into a zen garden.

Anything goes in here!

On the bra question - I'm not sure - 38 E? F?. My cup increase was disappointingly slight (am persistent but poor milker). What were you last time? You can get those little extension clips for the back of your bra should your ribcage expand any further, but it will probably go down somewhat once the baby is out. Maybe 36F?

at lingerie department.

This is more or less my frst entry into S&B. I had it hidden before de-reg cos I feel so crap at all this stuff (I used to hide in the toilets to brush my hair at school cos I thought everyone would laugh at my efforts).

But it is nice here. Just gentle chatting with the 'click, click, click' in the background of clothes being flicked along clothes-rails.

It might be my birthday this week, yes

Morris, they sell vests with integral bras at Bravissimo - don't think the material is particularly slinky though.

Len: 36M. (When I reported my post-birth bra size to DP he said 'we'd better call Cammell Laird'.)

Ooooh exciting about birthday this week. What are you going to do to celebrate? I seem to remember you share a birthday with DS3? Thursday?

I love S & B. It's my favourite Mumsnet topic, easily.