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Formal event. No bra?

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LettuceSpray · 05/11/2024 21:53

I have a really lovely friend. We have been good friends since our children were born 30 years ago.She’s an old school feminist in her 70s, doesn’t wear make up etc. I admire that, and I am a jeans and t shirt minimal make up kind of person but, do have an eye for trends and make an effort to scrub up well a couple of times a year.

Friend is about to be awarded a major honour which will involve a day out in a very fancy place and lots of photos (perhaps you can work out where and what I mean). She has asked me for advice on what to wear. She refuses to buy anything new, but what’s worse is she has modelled potential outfits for me and they all involve dead flat sensible shoes and no bra. I am fully aware how shallow I sound. I don’t think she needs to invest a fortune in new clothes and a hat but with old flat shoes and no bra she looks as though she really doesn’t care. And she does care, she’s really quite conventional and very proud of the honour. She just doesn’t seem to have picked up on how people dress smartly. I think she associates underwear, make up and formal clothes with old fashioned conformism (yes she really is a a 1970s style feminist).

How can I convince her very diplomatically that she would look much more appropriate with a bra, tiny weeny bit of make up and some dressy shoes? Not at all stiff, formal and expensive but a bit less Greenham Common? (GC women were awesome and inspirational but friend has specifically asked for advice on a look appropriate to the place and occasion).

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Brananan · 07/11/2024 13:22

Just say she needs a bra!!

Bowietips · 07/11/2024 13:31

LettuceSpray · 05/11/2024 22:13

I guess I haven’t been explicit enough.

She’s getting an honour at the palace(higher than OBE) She has some outfits that are quite suitable really no need for me to buy any more for her. It’s the way she plans to style them. How can i diplomatically say that bra, tiny bit of make up, brush to her hair and non hiking shoes would help? She has asked me for advice, I am not just pushing it on her and it is nothing at all to do with me thinking she should be more stereotypically feminine.

Congratulations to your friend!

My principle would be smart rather than traditionally 'feminine'. I'd try to apply as far as possible the same standards I'd expect of a man in a formal situation.

I'd mention brushing/taming hair and wearing smarter shoes, as that's something expected of both men and women. If we wouldn't suggest it to a man, I'd not suggest it to her, so I'd not mention makeup or any hair related stuff beyond it looking tidy.

Regarding the bra - are her boobs inappropriately visible without? Or is it just that she's not confirming to traditional beauty standards by having them hoiked up? In the same circumstances I'd mention to a male friend if I could see his nipples through a thin shirt, or if his trouser cut made the outline of his penis a little too obvious, for example!

Bowietips · 07/11/2024 13:33

TroubleMakingWitch · 07/11/2024 13:19

Not sure if this has been covered but is it possible she's only showing you the pics for an opinion on the dress? But will wear appropriate shoes and a bra for the actual event?

I only ask because I often sent pics of me in potential dresses but with no make up, dishevelled hair and slippers just to get the opinion on the actual dress!

And I add all the other bits in (hair, shoes and make up) on the night!

This is a good point ☝️

Princessfluffy · 08/11/2024 07:04

Men mostly wouldn't consider wearing make up to this event so I don't think your friend needs to.

I think you can suggest getting her hair done if she wants to and wearing more formal shoes.

Brushed hair should be a given rather than a la Johnson.

As for the bra, that's really down to her preference surely? You can ask her if she'd feel comfortable in a bra - doesn't need to be an underwired bra - but if not it's her personal preference that matters.

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 08/11/2024 07:07

"Dress is great but I think you might need a bra and smart shoes for this one!"

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 08/11/2024 07:07

And then it's up to her. I definitely wouldn't push make-up or fancy hair though.

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