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Lovers of Parisian style and fashion with a conscious mindset and lots of chatter in between.

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I like wine wanker although these days I'm more of a caffeine wanker.
- and great outfits - to everyone enduring tough times.

Just a note to say that I'm so glad you're allowing yourself to do this. One of my biggest takeaways from cancer is that life is short, make the most of it. This included wearing nice clothes and making the most of oneself. Even during chemo, I always made some sort of effort to wear a great outfit, particularly on chemo day itself. It was also an opportunity to do the same of you - go through my wardrobe and get rid of/sell anything that I no longer wore or didn't really like/was making do with. Even though I love clothing, like some others on here, I was making do with items with the plan to upgrade them and either never got round to it, or inexcusably, never wore the upgrade. I've spent much of the post year rebuilding my wardrobe. I started with a few things, looking to fill holes and/or replace items and also things/colours I had always wanted to wear. Have been collecting images on Pinterest for years anyway. They helped, not just build my new wardrobe around them, but also bring especially loved outfits to life.

Am so excited for what you're doing. Enjoy! Take you time and be ruthless. If something doesn't quite work, take back immediately. Don't settle. Only wear things that make you feel great. You more than deserve it. Wishing you well

@botemp I love that idea of the world fucking owes me everything attitude. After all that's happened here, I need more of that.

@Styleislost enjoy it, fashion should be enjoyable.

Do we care about the Glossy Mossy Zara line?

I didn't know about it but I'll take a look!

Ah I see, it's another seasonal collection, although I guess if anyone's entitled to put out a 'party capsule', it's Kate Moss. But given that my party season will consist mainly of lunches with other retired gentlefolk, I don't think I'll be setting the alarm.

But good luck to her and I like this Vogue article in which she talks about the collection and also voices exactly what I feel about the vintage industry.
'Vintage, to me, is like the ’30s, ’40s or ’50s. And we didn’t call it vintage, we called it second-hand.'
(I'll pass over how it was people like her who made second hand fashionable and blew ordinary punters like me away.)

www.vogue.co.uk/article/kate-moss-zara

In other news, Jade Jagger, another seasoned party girl is clearing out her old frocks in a one-off event with Monsoon in Portobello Road. Like Flo, I don't think my sedate parties will call for nearly naked sequinned dresses. Although give the girl credit she does say that these days it's mostly Uniqlo thermals!

I don’t think it grabs me to be honest.
I have a few parties over the season but I am not going to be buying new stuff. I don’t buy new sequins anyway.

On the other hand, when I opened Zara and and saw the new ski collection that caught my attention. More from a curiosity pov, and thinking … ok, I wonder how technical those items will be, they look good, but very much monochromatic, which you don’t want to be if you are in the snow …
of course perfectly good if you spend most of the time in the apres bars and ski town.
It also puzzles me the affordable on your face Zermatt jumper.

I'm sure they've done their market research but I too am puzzled by who wants this. Moss was somewhat before my time so the ones who's she still relevant to are older and don't strike me as the type to absolutely want some fast fashion for a holiday party. Or has the youth on TikTok suddenly discovered her, it does seem to be an endless regurgitation of known classic icons on there (products and people)?

Also, random thought, is it just me or does Kate Moss look more like Pamela Anderson these days and vice versa with her fresh no make up look Pamela Anderson looks like how you'd imagine Kate Moss ageing...

I have no qualms with cheap Zermatt jumpers though, feels very on brand, it's the type of place people think of as some secret old money reserve when really it's an overpriced tourist magnet with good marketing.

andI, hello in your new guise, didn't mean to ignore you previously, I'm very much intrigued by how one acquires expensive cellulite?

Flo I'm a sucker for alliteration and can only come up with a portmanteau of caffenaciado which just isn't the same. Plus with wine you can be a fine, vintage, or box wanker, all demonitations welcome

Quirks, I thoroughly encourage you to embrace it, it's good for channeling any residual anger.

@botemp expensive cellulite?

Food, wine and chocolate. 😁

Menopause Brough in dramatic changes too.

I don't particularly care about it to be honest. I used to wear a lot of bias cut in satins and silks. I liked the weight, and the way bias sits and moves on the body.

That kind of thing no longer works on my body. Which is fine. My dds are having a lot of fun with my old clothes, and look great in them.

Ah the usual then, andI, at least you had the good stuff to enjoy in the moment.

Phoebe Philo sent me an email with evening wear so I guess there is still a market for it. Forgot to mention her previous email announcing the brand will be available at Dover Street Market, including the Paris one so I'm very much looking forward to seeing some in the flesh when I'm next there.

@botemp thanks, I will channel it and the residual anger! I'm not going to see Kate Moss or Pamela Anderson in the same light again. Some kind of separated at birth!

@floisme Kate Moss' quote is what I would have said about secondhand/vintage but I agree she has certainly been part of commercialising the "vintage" market.

The glut of party wear in December is why there's usually loads in the sales and on discount websites. Even when I was in my mid 20s and going out in London, the most I needed was a couple of cocktail dresses for more dressed up occasions.

I would love to see that PP in the flesh too.

Now that you mention bo about Pamela and Kate…

I still haven’t had my Vivienne Westwood out, but I decided to get it out for one of my Xmas dinners, a posh one I have in a hotel.

For me big sales and Black Friday means not buying as I feel like a rabbit on headlights and I don’t like the feeling of being pushed type thing.

I'm sick to death of Black Friday and it's still only Thursday. And the messages from companies announcing they're not taking part are possibly the most annoying of all.

Well I come bearing some anti black Friday messaging. Jil Sander has a new monograph out, and suitably some accompanying interviews Vogue got some great sounding quotes out of her but overall I preferred the interview from Hurs. There's probably some more out there but I can't be spending my entire day reading Jil Sander interviews, no matter how enticing that sounds. If the Vogue paywall comes up https://12ft.io/ will circumvent it, archive wouldn't remove it for me.

I'm usually not all that tempted by expensive monographs (€125 in this case, eek) that are more often a vanity project but this one might be worth it. I'll see, I'm in Antwerp next week and I'm sure the book shop that's in the fashion museum will have it available to browse.

Wriggly grey hair!

@Tatare I always have wriggly grey hair!

@quirkychick, who doesn't love wriggly grey hair?

It does look whiter in different light.

I can't be bothered with them. I'm probably missing out on bargains, but ho hum.

I was very pleased to see the Sister Jane green jacquard dress I bought for an event in March had sold out in all sizes before their Black Friday sale.

@Tatare mine looks very different in different lights too 🙂.

I made the mistake of going into John Lewis, yesterday, forgetting it was Black Friday. It was so busy I couldn't bear it and left straight away. Black Friday seems to have turned into Black November and now December too!

I was in London yesterday - it was very busy, but in a nice way - none of the desperation you get later in December.

Bond Street shops seem to be competing for the Best Christmas Display prize. They were gorgeous especially Dior. It seems it's happened in previous years but I've not noticed - I can't imagine they sell much to the usual rich clients as they would need to push through hoi polloi, but I'm sure it helps to build the brand. Meanwhile it's gorgeous to see.

That sounds fun Poppy, we still have Sinterklaas to come first here so not as many Christmas decorations up yet.

I am confusion again 🫠 in the latest of never ending collabs, Massimo Dutti x Marina Abromović. I guess MD has decided its clientele are aspiring gallerists now or something? But the pictures are vague so it might not even be a clothing collection. Maybe it's performance art as it's connected to Miami art...

I know she had announced a while back she'd launch a skincare line and, then too, it was shrouded with mystery and speculation as to whether it was some sort of art piece commenting on ageing women or that she was just cashing in on looking young for her age 🤷 I always assumed she was a frequent customer of plastic surgeons

Well I had no idea who she was but my first thought was 'Is she / was she married to Roman Abramovich?' (Erstwhile owner of Chelsea FC.) So I guess I'm not exactly the demographic Massimo Dutti had in mind but I'll take a look anyway.