Seriously, am I meant to be wearing suntan lotion every day?

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It seems that I am doing something really wrong here, because I am not wearing SPF every day. I've tried to find one that is light, and in the past I have had face creams and foundations with SPF 15 in them, but I just can't seem to tolerate getting up in the morning and slapping on sun tan lotion under my makeup before I go out in the winter. It would break me out in greasy spots.

Am I doomed? I am wearing toner, serum, and moisturiser, but not putting a layer of SPF on. I know it is about UV rays I can't see, but I don't have many wrinkles or sun damage as I've had my skin analysed tested.

No. You’re not supposed to be wearing ‘sun tan lotion’ on your face.

You need a moisturiser with sun protection factor (spf) in it. At least spf30. This isn’t difficult or confusing and Google is your friend here.

Top up every few hours with an SPF spray. Garnier and Violette both do good ones which go over make up.

In the winter I only use a moisturiser with it in, ceve, and a cc cream which has it in eborian, in the summer I will wear a layer of spf too.

This is an interesting thread. I would never wear SPF October-March because I couldn’t see how the lower intensity light could be harmful. The lower the angle the light comes in at, the further it has to travel through the earth’s atmosphere and the more is absorbed. So you can’t get sunburnt and your skin struggles to make much Vit D.
But from what people are saying, that’s true for UVB but not UVA which doesn’t get absorbed?
What I already do is wear SPF50 when outside in summer or bright sunny spring days, and I wear a hat and try and stay out of the sun when it’s properly hot. I don’t wear makeup so can reapply easily too. If I just put it on in the morning I’d definitely burn!
It sounds like it would be sensible to wear a lower level SPF if spending several hours outside in winter to protect against UVA. I’m not massively bothered about ageing, more cancer.
Several people on this thread have claimed that men do wear SPF all year round - my guess is that maybe 1% of the male population do? I’d be curious to see research split by gender and age.

Thanks no need to be arsey. You could say to google about most of this threads, just look at reviews instead of communicating with people. It is a children's face one I used btw

Ok so I’ve learnt a lot today. No need for sticky white goo giving me massive spots, I can buy moisturiser or similar to do the job. I’m using tret, so guess I need to address this. I think some of my moisturisers have it in, but I’m interested in the following. What do you think?

https://uk.elemis.com/pro-collagen-marine-cream-spf-30.html

https://www.lookfantastic.com/rodial-spf50-drops-31ml/12933211.html?affil=thggpsad&switchcurrency=GBP&shippingcountry=GB&affil=thgppc&kwds=&thg_ppc_campaign=71700000111449728&adtype=pla&product_id=12933211&gbraid=0AAAAAD-fXiqAPdw5wn0yh4Pwvl5mf6dpO&gclid=CjwKCAjw38SoBhB6EiwA8EQVLt0Mw63kvsfc48dm5NsNLIB8tMaZC_QsiA7qn-yaGM6WSayVNNVK4BoC9mwQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

https://www.cultbeauty.co.uk/charlotte-tilbury-invisible-uv-flawless-poreless-primer/13313743.html?affil=thggpsad&switchcurrency=GBP&shippingcountry=GB&gclid=CjwKCAjw38SoBhB6EiwA8EQVLvHaLEuoR_OYY1zPabinB0CteZrfDPncoEmhHb-6uOaibuzu_QVg-hoC2YoQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Are these the kind of things I need?

If you’re using tret then you definitely should be using an SPF50

I like Clinique Super City Block but loads of people have recommended others

If you're using actives then spf is a must.

have a look at the clinicare cc derma cream.
SPF 50
Great coverage
No need for a moisturiser

Contains niacimide so and loads of other stuff. Will improve your overall skin condition, protect you from the sun and gives a nice level of cover.

• cliniccare

*Niacinamide

The medium suits most complexions I find.

I wear factor 50 every day. So many cancers you can't avoid... The ones you can like skin cancer I will do what I can. I don't find Spf a chore, there are so many good ones. I use a tiny amount of cc cream, nowhere near a dose of sunscreen so that would be useless for me.

I think you need to wash your face properly to remove it too

I top mine up for the school run. I'm usually in the house at midday

Because I use lots I try not to use expensive ones. The Garnier Ámbre Solaire anti-age super UV spf 50 with hyaluronic acid is very good - you want to make sure they have a high UVA rating too.

Love the Ultra Violette supreme screen but that is more ££

I just reapply the sunscreen as required. I don't wear make up as using SPF every day most of my life as well as good skincare means I don't need make up as my skin is even toned and smooth if I want to look more done up I use a tinted lip balm and a bit of mascara and spf doesn't affect that.

Also do wear a lip balm with spf in as UV damage is partly what causes volume loss in the lips (and face in general), protecting them will keep your lips fuller as you get older.

L'Oréal Revitalift Clinical SPF50+ Invisible Fluid, Moisturising Antioxidant Replenishes Uneven Skin Tones providing UV Protection

Agree with this recommendation. I really think it's almost identical to the LRP one, but for less than half the price.

In a few decades there is going to be an epidemic of diseases in older people, caused by over avoidance of the sun. And unfortunately vitamin d supplements will not prevent it.

See the article below, authored by a large group of reputable scientists.

https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/17/14/5014

I feel like a stuck record talking about it, but people are going to die so needs must.

What's insufficient though? I burn unless it's before 9.30am or after 5pm
I work inside so I don't see any sun Monday - Friday which can't be that unusual
My exposure is so low that I need vitamin D but if I increased my exposure I would need SPF so...

I’ve had skin cancer and was told to wear factor 50 every day of the year and I do. I moisturise first and then apply the sun cream and it has become habit now.

Like I said. You don’t need to expose your face to get vitamin D. You absorb more from larger areas of skin such as legs, arms, stomach. Believe me I’ve given up on my body in terms of ageing - I love lying in the sun. But I will protect my face. It’s not either or.

I was actually part of a study in the link between vitamin D (or lack of it) and breast cancer.

I get in the sun as much as I can but just protect my face for ageing. I don’t burn but will allow myself to tan.

As it happens there's a really useful website which answers this question. You can calculate the window of exposure you need to maintain health without burning, based on your skin type, latitude and various other factors.

https://fastrt.nilu.no/VitD-ez_quartMEDandMED_v2.html

There is no such thing as a "healthy tan" tanned skin is damaged skin, you can get sufficient vitamin D from the sun without allowing your skin to tan.

https://www.skincancer.org/risk-factors/tanning/#:~:text=Tanning%20damages%20your%20skin%20cells,squamous%20cell%20carcinoma%20and%20melanoma.

Even 5 minutes in the sun is enough if you’re fair skinned. Lunchtime is preferable. Dark skin needs a bit longer - up to 30 minutes.

Men's facial skin is tougher than women's

If that works for you then great. I'm not a big fan of being cold, so for much of the year my face and hands are the only part of me that sees any sunshine, and I choose to expose them without SPF. I will probably have more wrinkles than if I didn't but that's the trade off I make with my overall health. I use a similar strategy to yourself in the summer though.

Yes I know this but see the link above to the benefits of the sun. I can’t sit in the sun every day for the amount of time I need to get sufficient vitamin D without gaining a light tan on my body. I’ve read enough about the benefits to go with my approach rather than hide away from the sun.

Yes but you won’t be making vitamin D from the sun in this country from Oct-March.