'Edgy' older women...

[ProstituteHair]

Gah!

I know I'm about to start a thread I've started before but there have been a few comments in S&B this week about 'desperate' older women trying to look fashionable and 'I wouldn't listen to 60 year-olds', both comments to OPs who were favouring a fairly safe style of dress in their 30s and trying to shake it up a but feeling a little moribund.

There's absolutely fuck-all wrong with a safe and classic style in it pulls your chain. Really, I have no beef there. It can look incredible.

However, who's to say that the 30-year-old advisees know more about fasion than the 60 year-olds they were belittling. Some 60 year old have worked in the fashion industry for decades. Some 30 year olds have no care about fashion beyond looking respectable.

And that's ok.

But it's not age-based, and there's an absolute joy with older women and fashion, it can be much more unconstrained. It's certainly not desperate for older women to be edgy or fashionable, I'd argue that the truly edgy dressers are older women (or men).

And the young too.

There's space for both, I'm not sure why it has to be stratified along age lines.

People either love clothes and want to look incredible or they like clothes and want to look respectable, (or they think it's all complete bolloocks and just want to cover themselves appropriately for the weather, and that's ok too!!).

If you really love yourself, why do you constantly need validation? It’s post after post, thread after thread. Your self aggrandising and sneering at other women on here certainly isn’t indicative of a confident, self assured person but rather someone reeking of insecurity.

I also never get the impression you want a discussion. You shut down anyone who disagrees with you in the rudest manner. I’ve seen you be horrendously unpleasant to more than one poster. You come across appallingly and the person who pulled you up on the Anti-Chanel thread got it absolutely spot on.

I have no amnesia about my 'Anti-Chanel' thread. Why would I? It was a little goady, I think I said that in my first post on there! Of course, is was a poke rather than a call to arms.

My clothing spend is neither here nor there really.

I think I've only ever mentioned how much I spend on clothes because I don't think there's anything wrong with (if affordable) spending lots on clothes.

It's just seen as a mad frivolity. I disagree.

I don't wear jewellery. I don't do handbags, cars, watches or very many other signifyers.

I don't do beauty or hair or tweakments.

I like clothes.

I love clothes. I spend much of my free time thinking about clothes.

I also like myself.

There's bugger-all wrong with either of those things.

100% this. ^ @ProstituteHair You do post a lot on here and tell everyone how much you like yourself. And you always post pouty, blurry photos, taken at weird angles. Why do you do this? Is it attention-seeking? Insecurity? Do you need validation for some reason? I have not come across any other poster on MN who is as desperate for attention and compliments as you. Very odd.

I hope your sister is okay about you posting her photo on here. I'd be livid if my sister decided to post a photo of me on Mumsnet, no matter what the reason.

I think you misunderstand me.

If I needed validation, do you think I'd constantly post my photo, that gets more comments like yours than any validation?

I'm not a masochist. I'm also not someone who needs validation.

I am someone who actually wants people, women particularly to be able to say 'this is me'.

To be comfortable.

I honestly don't think I do shut down discussion.

I'm always quite happy to be told if I'm wrong though.

You have obviously never mer my sister.

She'd have no opinion one way or 'tother.

Allow me to understand my own sister better than you.

But yes, this seems to have become a bit of a 'pile on'.

Please, take it out on me. Whatever your frustration with the world.

I am quite robust. I can absolutely take it if you dislike me or any fucker.

I think there's lots of pressure on women to look hypersexualised still and also to look slim and young.
I'm happier with any combination of interesting, fun, creative, comfortable, practical, unique.

You are wrong.

If you want to encourage women to be able to say “this is me”, speaking to them like they’re something you’ve trodden in isn’t the way to go about it. I also distinctly remember you correcting someone’s grammar and starting your response with “Ew”. Just appalling and unnecessary.

Like a pp, I too find you utterly exhausting so I’m out.

Absolutely this. In spades.

Brilliant!

I absolutely don't care if you all band together against me, I'm quite glad you're banding together.

'My enemy's enemy is my friend'.

Amazing.

Find your fellowship there. Really.

Whatever it takes. I love it when women get together.

Even if that togetherness is agin me.

I like your chutzpah.

Why do you write all your posts like you’re practicing haikus at school?

Yes, my 'Ew' was when a poster used 'multitude' as 'a multitude of' and I took exception. However, another poster did explain that I was in fact wrong, and I did accept that they were right.

I'm quite happy to accept that I'm not right.

I did apologise on that thread.

What happened to this thread? 😬

Because forum writing isn't the same as casual writing.

It's easier for people to read if your sentences are separate.

Isn't it?

I don't know!!

Why on earth does it matter? Can we stop the pile on please.

Thank you!

S&B can be very odd sometimes. It's fine to have
"what do I wear to...." threads or
"what trainer is cool now" threads or
"can I still wear skinny jeans" threads

But apart from possibly the expensive handbag threads, it can be a bit puritanical - clothes are a utilitarian necessity- you shouldn't like them as anything more than fulfilling a purpose.

S&B is nuts today

@NatashaDancing

Yes.

It's not ok to be unequivocally fond of oneself.

I know I post photos of myself, but it's always from a

'I'm 50-odd and bloody love it'

Stance.

I really like myself.

Why is that bad?

When is it not!

No one cares if you like yourself or not, that's the point. If you do, good for you. If you don't, ok then? I would say I am fairly ambivalent about myself. I have some good qualities and some less good qualities.

However, IME, most people who are actually comfortable with themselves don't feel the need to a) post selfies all over MN or b) continually harp on that they like themselves. You like yourself. OK, great! Do you have a point to make?!

Ok. We're all different.