Let's do this. Fashion V Style.

[RhadamanthNemes]

This comes up all the time time.

I actually think the two are immutable.

You can't have one without the other.

Stylish people have a very particular ownership of themselves. They know what they love. See Daphne Guiness, Grace Coddington, Tilda Swinton. These women are stylish as fuck.

BUT, they are also fashionable. They are all very interested in fashion, and keep themselves current, by keeping an eye on, and being very interested in 'Fashion'.

I honestly don't think it's possible to be stylish without being fashoinable.

Fashionable doesn't mean fashion victim, it simply means, being interested in fashion and adapting current looks that fit in with one's personal style.

Her lack of smiling isn't to do with her teeth, it's more the shape of her mouth when she smiles. I can't really articulate it properly, but I know her mouth does exactly the same as mine - I rarely smile (for photographs) because of this.

There's a YouTube channel called understitch which examines various fashion brands, focusing on where they went right and where they went wrong. One of her recent videos is on Alexa Chung's style, the failure of of her brand, and the reasons for its failure. I find her videos quite interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/@understitchYT/videos

Ah thanks coconotgrove!

Is that the Cherie Blair affliction - where you look deranged in photos if you smile? Fellow sufferer here.

@Floisme

I found this!

All the tweakments/cosmetic dental work, nor surgery for that matter can change one's smile. Not that there's anything wrong with VB's smile or mine for that matter, but I've never liked mine, plus all my smiles look rather forced (as indeed VB's do).

Btw, I agree with the comments you made about VB. I recall the snobbery from some of the brands who didn't want her wearing them. She's succeeded in the face of much adversity, and I do rather admire her steely determination. (Although of course, being part of a brand and having all the money she has has clearly helped her).

Haha, yes, although I like to think it's gimpy rather than deranged!

Aww, nobody looks bad when they smile!
Poor Cherie. Top barrister, but that smile is wonky....

But I think she's spent so long being self-conscious that she now doesn't know how to be fully at ease with herself. In public at least. She's far too conscious of showing off her best angles to the paps rather than just being.

this, there's nothing wrong with her teeth, simple, mouth shape. I do feel a bit sorry for her, imagine never really being able to relax when in the public eye. What I love about K Moss is that she doesn't seem to care.

This is probably veering too much into celeb gossip territory but it's always struck me as odd that two people who don't always seem that comfortable in the public eye push for it so relentlessly as brand Beckham (and by extension all their children), but who knows maybe I'm reading it wrong and they're never happier than when all eyes on them.

I too remember how snooty the fashion establishment was when VB decided to start a serious fashion brand and not a Collab or private label things as other celebs did at the time. Contrast that with the recent announcement of Pharell Williams being appointed head creative of Louis Vuitton (men's). She got all the ridicule but did prove herself as something to be taken serious while other celebs can now swoop in and reap the benefits. Meanwhile, Rihanna with far greater establishment backing failed to achieve with her serious fashion brand.

I didn't think VBs fashion line was profitable, I think she has designed some nice stuff & Ive heard the beauty range is good

Tbf to Pharrell he's been associated with fashion for decades.

I think not making a profit is the case for a lot of fashion brands. Hence the focus on perfumes and accessories, and now in VB's case, the big push with her makeup line.

For me, something like cold shoulder tops may have been fashionable a few years back. In my mind, they were never ever stylish though.

yes it's true for many brands getting established but then they do tend to become profitable otherwise they loose investors.

I'd have to look it up but I believe she did turn a profit since it was reported on that she'd never made any profit. I suspect with the cosmetics and Reebok partnerships she's probably a profitable brand now.

I think that confidence is key to being stylish and fashionable. If you cultivate a look and don’t deviate from it too much over the years then this to me shows confidence in both choice and attitude to cast aside trends. Makeup and hair can often elevate and update a look so that you might wear the same clothes over the years but your makeup and hair show that you are adapting to the times.

It’s a shame VB is so self conscious about her smile. I’ve always thought she has a very charming smile.

this is what google brought up

www.theindustry.fashion/victoria-beckhams-fashion-and-beauty-lines-continue-to-face-financial-losses/

ww.fashionnetwork.com/news/Victoria-beckham-fashion-label-reports-loss-but-deficit-shrinks,1472227.html#fashionweek-milan-hui

Thanks, still in the red it seems but they managed to increase sales (thanks to cosmetics and leather goods) and managed to grow the brand during the pandemic. So it's not all positive but it's far from disastrous and an overall upward trend. Do other brands finances get raked over so closely, it's not something I pay that much attention to.

I thought it was you who posted the below...

"I too remember how snooty the fashion establishment was when VB decided to start a serious fashion brand and not a Collab or private label things as other celebs did at the time. Contrast that with the recent announcement of Pharell Williams being appointed head creative of Louis Vuitton (men's). She got all the ridicule but did prove herself as something to be taken serious while other celebs can now swoop in and reap the benefits. Meanwhile, Rihanna with far greater establishment backing failed to achieve with her serious fashion brand."

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I did, but for me success in fashion doesn't mean only financial success. And I was under the impression the finances were improving, but I clearly was overoptimistic on the state of them. I was genuinely under the impression that she had moved to being profitable but I probably misremembered improved finances as no more losses, I don't follow it that closely.

I disagree.

Style is something you choose and develop for yourself. It doesn't have to involve fashion.

Fashion is something you consume.

I did, but for me success in fashion doesn't mean only financial success. It doesn't, I worked in buying for years. I simply corrected you that it was profitable which appeared to annoy you 🤷🏻‍♀️

I’m not sure.
I see very stylish women - usually older, impeccably dressed with a point of flair somewhere - maybe a perfect elbow length leather glove or a fake fur trimmed cape or incredibly glossy high heel shoes. And they look extremely stylish but not at all fashionable.

Equally an achingly fashionable woman could frankly look a little ridiculous and not at all stylish - for example white calf length sport socks with a shapeless floral smock dress.

It’s easy to straddle the two but very hard to be accepted by both camps at the same time.

It honestly didn't annoy me, sorry if I gave off that impression.