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Let’s dissect M&S

267 replies

DukeofEarlGrey · 03/10/2021 23:32

Prompted by another thread in which M&S has been described as the cockroach of the British high street (something about being hideous but invincible) I wonder why it is that I find M&S so... comforting?? I haven’t bought any clothes there except pants for years and yet I still enjoy a semi-mooch around and feel reassured that it’s there if I need it... What is this bizarre place in my heart for M&S?!

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RosesAndHellebores · 04/10/2021 10:57

Great for Jean's, pants, the occasional dress, swimwear.

I find knitwear iffy and not high enough quality, even the cashmere. Some quality classic knits in sensible colours would be awesome - I'd prefer a well made, well shaped, high quality lambswool cardigan in: black, grey, navy, camel, soft blue than a cheap colour blocked mustard cashmere number any day.

Don't buy nightwear, slippers, shoes or coats there any more and the quality of their trousers is dire. They used to stock well cut, wool crepe trousers 20 years ago but they were £40 then!

I have worn one of their bras for years - it fits perfectly and has been £16 for years. I ordered one recently, the fabric is thinner and the trim is cheaper but it's still £16. I would prefer the old version back for £20. It's called wild blooms.

More plain colours, better fabrics and better cut please and bear in mind that mustard and khaki suits very few people.

FiveIsMoreFun · 04/10/2021 10:57

"Oh fgs. Trust MN to find a way to get anti-trans comments into a thread about fucking clothes."

I've been in a women's changing room, stood next to what was quite clearly a man in a blouse and skirt, and with a bulging erection. It is not an experience I wish to repeat. I left, without trying the clothes on.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 04/10/2021 11:06

1: I have never looked at anybody else's crotch in a changing room
2: If a man really wants a quick wank in a bra, he'll find a way, regardless of changing room policy
This place really is nuts sometimes.

RampantIvy · 04/10/2021 11:10

@FiveIsMoreFun

"Oh fgs. Trust MN to find a way to get anti-trans comments into a thread about fucking clothes."

I've been in a women's changing room, stood next to what was quite clearly a man in a blouse and skirt, and with a bulging erection. It is not an experience I wish to repeat. I left, without trying the clothes on.

Why didn't you report him?
ILoveShula · 04/10/2021 11:12

Ugh! That's horrible.

BestIsWest · 04/10/2021 11:16

I love the foodhall, the underwear, the jeans, the gym clothes. All my jeans come from there. I have the odd cashmere item from there and I’m glad they’ve started doing Merino knitwear again. But oh my God, the frills and embellishments. On far too many items.

I long for the M&S of the 1990s when they did amazing Italian wool suits and knitwear. Though no one, including me wears corporate suits these days anyway so I guess that’s unrealistic.

GoodnightGrandma · 04/10/2021 11:18

SunshineCake1 - I’m not, I read on here that there are two trans women fitting bras in M&S. I don’t know where, but it was said.

BlairWaldorfLovesShopping · 04/10/2021 11:24

Why didn't you report him?

Maybe because the policy allows him to be there if he claims to be a woman, and if he wasn't actually wanking he hasn't done anything wrong (except make a woman uncomfortable, which is obviously fine by M&S's standards)?

Iamthewombat · 04/10/2021 11:26

I don’t get the M&S hatred here, but I wonder whether it is resentment that M&S don’t provide the same quality they used to, 30 years ago, at Primark prices?

I regularly read that eg T shirts are “too expensive” in M&S at £12 when the poster can buy a T shirt for £6 in Primark or H&M. However, when M&S produce a cheaper range to meet that demand, everybody complains about the quality going down.

I too would prefer to pay more for better fabrics and cuts, but I’m in a minority. A big shift happened in the late nineties and early 2000s. Primark, New Look and similar shops started offering really cheap clothes, and a high proportion of shoppers rushed out and rejoiced in buying armloads of clothes for not much money. I remember Primark opening in Manchester in the old Lewis’s department store building. It was mayhem.

Next had to completely change its offer - look at it now, compared to what it was in the 80s and 90s, it’s an entirely different business - and so did M&S. If they had stuck to only making quality stuff in the U.K., they would have been dead in the water fifteen years ago. Just like Austin Reed and other quality retailers.

We get the retailers we deserve. If enough people had bought what M&S were offering after the market tipped towards Primark and other value retailers, we’d still have high quality, British made clothes in lovely fabrics. The runaway success of Boohoo.com - cheap clothes in crap fabrics, made in sweatshops and designed only to be worn a few times - tells you what most shoppers really value.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 04/10/2021 11:31

@RampantIvy

Because there are people such as @Rummikubfan who believe it’s the woman’s fault for noticing she was being sexually harassed…

Rummikubfan · 04/10/2021 11:36

@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken what did I say? I only mentioned things l like buying in M&S how did that come out to anything else? I didn’t mention anything about anyone else or women and hrrassment

woodhill · 04/10/2021 11:39

@Iamthewombat

I don’t get the M&S hatred here, but I wonder whether it is resentment that M&S don’t provide the same quality they used to, 30 years ago, at Primark prices?

I regularly read that eg T shirts are “too expensive” in M&S at £12 when the poster can buy a T shirt for £6 in Primark or H&M. However, when M&S produce a cheaper range to meet that demand, everybody complains about the quality going down.

I too would prefer to pay more for better fabrics and cuts, but I’m in a minority. A big shift happened in the late nineties and early 2000s. Primark, New Look and similar shops started offering really cheap clothes, and a high proportion of shoppers rushed out and rejoiced in buying armloads of clothes for not much money. I remember Primark opening in Manchester in the old Lewis’s department store building. It was mayhem.

Next had to completely change its offer - look at it now, compared to what it was in the 80s and 90s, it’s an entirely different business - and so did M&S. If they had stuck to only making quality stuff in the U.K., they would have been dead in the water fifteen years ago. Just like Austin Reed and other quality retailers.

We get the retailers we deserve. If enough people had bought what M&S were offering after the market tipped towards Primark and other value retailers, we’d still have high quality, British made clothes in lovely fabrics. The runaway success of Boohoo.com - cheap clothes in crap fabrics, made in sweatshops and designed only to be worn a few times - tells you what most shoppers really value.

Yes, I would rather have better quality and pay more but not for expensive crap quality itms
AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 04/10/2021 11:45

[quote Rummikubfan]@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken what did I say? I only mentioned things l like buying in M&S how did that come out to anything else? I didn’t mention anything about anyone else or women and hrrassment[/quote]
Ahhh I’m so sorry @Rummikubfan

I meant to tag @RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie

Massive, massive apologies!

RosesAndHellebores · 04/10/2021 11:50

@Iamthewombat the problem is, imo, that M&S's £12 t-shirts look like cheap t-shirts. I often pay £30/£40 for a long or short-sleeved t shirt for the cut and fabric.

One thing M&S still do brilliantly are their lace trimmed cami's and plain slips. Their tights are hopeless nowadays and I have "snag".

Iamthewombat · 04/10/2021 11:50

Yes, I would rather have better quality and pay more but not for expensive crap quality itms

That’s the conundrum, isn’t it? I buy selectively in Reiss because NO WAY am I paying £250 for a polyester dress. Hush are expensive but crap quality. I could go on.

GoodnightGrandma · 04/10/2021 11:52

I was in a New Look changing room a few weeks ago and there was a bloke in there, sat on the chairs. He had his phone in his hand and was using it, also taking pictures of his girlfriend when she wasn’t looking.
I was about to go and complain but the people working there are young so probably wouldn’t do anything about it.
It seems to be normal these days, so I thought if I don’t like it I should just order on line and try on at home. So they win.

alliscalm · 04/10/2021 11:54

I’d hate to see M&S go. Their footwear is very good at the higher price points. Every mid range label has floaty polyester or viscose dresses this season, many double the price of Marks. And some are so similar, only someone frightened of not being cool would pay extra. But I agree that standards have slipped as prices have been driven down. I’d be prepared to pay a bit more if there was more choice of wool mix skirts and merino cardigans.

dannydyerismydad · 04/10/2021 11:55

I find it a weird paradoxical place.

M&S food is expensive, but much of their clothing is mid range - more expensive than Primark, but cheaper than luxury high street.

They could really develop themselves as stockists of excellent quality basics in natural fibres. Stuff that is hard wearing and long lasting. Instead they are going for the fast fashion market, but are dealt quite pricy for what they offer.

Noogar · 04/10/2021 11:56

also taking pictures of his girlfriend when she wasn’t looking. what a creepy perve

CatNamedEaster · 04/10/2021 11:56

I want to love their womenswear and do like a lot of the designs but most of the fabrics are man made which is bizarre considering how many of their customers must be peri-/post-menopausal.
I loved all the summer dresses they brought out but they were either polyester OR the only cotton ones were sooo thin and see-through that they would have been unbearable without a vest and slip underneath....which defeats the point of a cool cotton dress.Confused

I wish they would stop trying to be the McDonald's of the clothing world by trying to appeal to any demographic they can, and instead accept that if they have to raise prices due to using better fabrics they could be a really good go-to for top of the high street designs.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 04/10/2021 11:56

@GoodnightGrandma

I was in a New Look changing room a few weeks ago and there was a bloke in there, sat on the chairs. He had his phone in his hand and was using it, also taking pictures of his girlfriend when she wasn’t looking. I was about to go and complain but the people working there are young so probably wouldn’t do anything about it. It seems to be normal these days, so I thought if I don’t like it I should just order on line and try on at home. So they win.
That’s awful. It’s such a difficult position to be in. I sadly don’t think I’d be brave enough to anything either. It really seems like our (women’s) world is getting smaller and smaller as our boundaries are constantly belittled, ignored or completely trampled on.
ArabeI · 04/10/2021 12:22

I don't think the knitwear is great, but I regularly buy things like tights and accessories for myself and the children. I also have a couple of pairs of yoga leggings, which are fine, and some real cotton nightdresses. I do have one nice skirt I spotted there a couple of years ago, though it is some sort of polyester.

RosesAndHellebores · 04/10/2021 12:28

Oh interesting point about the man made fabrics @ACatNamedEaster. I have found as I get older that I sweat far less than I used to and where I'd never have risked a man made fibre 20/30 years ago, I can wear them now.

I find an occasional dress in M&S for work but fare better for dresses at: Cos, Seasalt LKB (usually for special occasions and then downgraded) and Toast. Tops I buy a fair few from Kettlewell. So often M&S has a nice top but in the most ghastly colours or prints and the prints inevitably give them away.

I have, sadly, always found their shoes come with a complimentary blister!

woodhill · 04/10/2021 12:43

I hate man made fabrics and do sweat at times so no polyester for me

GlomOfNit · 04/10/2021 12:52

Another poster whose DH would be naked if not for M&S! Grin He's a good fit for their cord and moleskin trousers, as well as all the underwear, the odd jumper, and they do nice Hawaiian shirts in summer, and his shorts... Yep. naked.

Whereas if you'd asked me, I'd say 'Oh I hardly ever even go in there any more' yet :
-my pants are ALL M&S (what they call 'bikini' but which I call basic cotton pants with adequate coverage) despite the cotton fabric becoming thinner and cheaper over the years (has anyone else who still proudly sports an actual bush noticed that your pubes wear down the cotton fabric in M&S pants, or I am uniquely blessed with wire-wool pubes? Grin).
-I get some tights there, though I wish they still did merino wool ones.
-Sports bras are great.
-Nightwear - the whole family's new PJs at Christmas usually come from there.
-pretty much ALL the DC's uniform because it's good quality. Wish they'd be more consistent in trouser sizing, year to year, though.
-at least one Christmas present for my dad (PJs, slippers, a jumper)

I like the food hall too - some things really aren't more expensive than Waitrose (I know...) but unlike Waitrose, they do decent reductions on stuff about to go past BB, so I drop in to the local one frequently to see what I can snaffle, and try to resist buying Naice snacks and Colin Caterpillar gummies if there isn't anything reduced!