Royal style & gossip: advance Baby Sussex!

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Surely this is the thread where Meghan has her baby??

Followed you all for ages. Great thread. Just to say I think Meghan’s spokesperson today saying that she was only going to take 3 months maternity leave as that’s what Americans used to can be read as a subtle dig at Uk women taking off longer. That somehow we are slackers! Maternity leave in UK is a hard fought right - though not as good as many eu countries. It’s something to be proud of, not to denigrate, and that Meghan should support.

Once again it's a "royal source" who's behind that story, not anyone official. The Mirror claims she'll be returning to public life at the Trooping of the Colour, which is the same thing Kate did after Louis last year.

There’s such a thing as bias that is subconscious. Basically making judgments or being racist without realising it. I think the fact they were stifling laughter at the black preacher at wedding and Chelsea’s face when the black gospel choir came out. I don’t think it’s so much about race but two cultures that are so different. Americans are so outspoken and the English are stiff upper lip and love tradition. Don’t think the courtiers like a consort who is outspoken and flies in face of tradition. Having said that if she was an English demure, blonde, aristocrat with a Daddy that was a Lord, would she be allowed to be more outspoken and expect tiaras ? Probably. I would say that the fact the demands come from an american and a fish out of water probably rub the old men in grey coats the wrong way.

Sorry I have different login on phone and iPad as Im last so mummyloves and Humpy are same !

Yeah I thought that the laughing at the wedding was disgraceful, especially as he wasn't just "a preacher", he was the Episcopalian equivalent of the Archbishop of Canterbury!

The stifled laughing at the wedding really was disgusting.

I am pro the Royal family but having followed these threads has made me question them more and more.

They are guilty of or perpetuate every "ism" possible:

Sexism, Classism, Racism, Anachronism.
The married in Royals basically have to be surrendered wives to be acceptable.

At the time of Diana, the future Queen had to be a virgin. Even Kate has only officially had one boyfriend. It took till the 90s till Sophie was allowed to live with Edward at BP.
She had to wait 8 years for a proposal, and Kate had to wait 10.

Meghan is normal and representative of most women of her generation and that terrifies the RF and those die hard traditionalists who read the DM.

Doria has been in the UK since Tuesday 16th.

@ CurlyWurlyTwirly couldn’t agree more, the little girl in me loves royalty, history, the glamour and the magic but the woman in me dislikes the institution. Kate is squeaky clean and I think it’s kind of cool that Harry has gone and married a woman that defied the rules. I mean Kate is similar to Diana in that, for her time, she’s done all the right things. She did the degree, Diana did finishing school, she’s only had one boyfriend, Diana was a virgin, she’s from a perfect, wealthy family, Diana was from the right family in a different way. Hate to compare but I think in some ways they both made sacrifices too. Kind of will change the monarchy I think having a man at its head.

I actually think Charles will be a very progressive King.
He's not afraid to be controversial and he has been involved in the environment, organic farming, architecture, young people from way before it was fashionable.

I think William has now used up any goodwill borne to him via Diana.
I struggle to see anything of note he has championed. I would give the credit to Kate for the mental health campaigns.

William is just known for being a helicopter pilots who hates the press.
I think Harry has a far more interesting job and has used his position for good. Invictus, Sentebale, now the Commonwealth.
William has done nothing oiginal and seems passionate about very little.
as touched on by a pp. I think he may well be depressed. He does not come across as a happy man, despite his lovely family, wealth and privilege.

Curly perhaps he’s biding his time till he is King to shake things up. I think he’s ploughing all his energy into his family for now. I agree I think he may suffer from depression. Not surprising really. He loved his pilot job but was unable to continue with it. He probably hates not being able to be normal.

I think when William becomes King the whole institution will radically alter.

These are interesting points @curlywurlytwirly. I have heard that Harry hates the press, Meghan loves it and William and Kate tolerate the press.

I think we will have a baby announcement any minute now.

Surely it has to be a home birth. Feel like there would be at least one press leak or sign of security measures if it were at hospital.

@staggeringon could this be a dig at Kate or just a popularity prod for her hard work ethic. I don’t think she would compare her position to the rest of the UK, surely not 🤷‍♀️ I agree though ✌️

I don't really consider turning up and standing silently for half an hour whilst the Nanny holds the baby in the background to be "returning to work" but hey what do I know.

The racist detractors will not come out and say it is because she is bi-racial because the media would not print it so they think up something else. However, if you look at their details USA deep south say. You can see that little has changed for so many.

And most people don’t “return to work” for half an hour and then have no other demands on their time for a month or so!

Come on baby
I think I've realised why I am so many think she's been pregnant far too long. When it was first announced there were a lot of people saying it was to distract from Brexit. So I think that many of us have subconsciously assumed (without even realising) that her baby was due end of March. Plus they said "spring" and that is the start of springtime.

I had to return to work within a week, albeit at home my VAT return was a few days late (pre computer inputting) I was in the middle of it when I went into labour) and they came down on me threatening fines. Luckily when I explained they replied OK but don`t let it happen again...

I'm sure there are other meetings with charities behind the scenes, but im also sure they could be conducted in Frogmore House and catered by the chef, and spaced fairly far apart.

I remember the Palace aying that Kate would take a full 6 months with Louis (or was it Charlotte?) cos she regretted "going back to work so soon" after George I. E. 3 months and I swear to god my eyes almost rolled out of their head. She has a live in Nanny! And a mum who's always there! Christ.

@SevenSeasofRye just an observation of your points

There is no reason for William to bide his time.
He will wait his entire adult life to do anything of note otherwise. He is about 36 / 37 now,
He could do absolutely anything he wanted with the resources at his disposal. I think William has passion for nothing, apart from flying his helicopter. (rich man's toy)
I think concentrating on his family is just laughable. 2 are at school; his wife barely works; they have 2 nannies and 2 houses full of staff.
He is in the ultimate position of white male privilege. It is a gilded cage for him too.
I think he would love to go on secondment to Africa as has been mooted for Harry. But William needs to find something which is his to interest him.

“Not surprising really. He loved his pilot job but was unable to continue with it. He probably hates not being able to be normal.”

There’s a simple solution to that.......

Elspeth - the double standards are ridiculous. A woman on here who complains that she doesn't want to leave her baby with her mother or MIL or someone else when its little will get 1000 responses telling her she doesn't have to leave her baby and that when they're little it's understandable that mum and baby are together constantly...

... but god forbid Kate should have the similar sensation of not wanting to be apart from her baby when he's little.

Anyone saying that because Meghan hasn't seen flaming crosses on her lawn, so there's no racist undertones misses the insidious nature of modern racism. Open your eyes.

Yes, to this. I have mentioned before that I see a lot of parallels in the negative comments made about Meghan to expressed attitudes among some in the US about Michelle Obama. It's the vehemence when talking about something mildly negative or even benign that's the red flag. A good example is the Louis thing. If she had addressed him as Prince Louis (and what aunt does this?), then no doubt she would be accused of bringing attention to his, and by extension her, royal status. Racists like to find excuses to attack people of color over things that don't seem racist on their face. It is a favorite technique. It is so obvious in Meghan's case.

I agree that William comes across as a man who hasn't found anything he feels really passionate about yet. There is his work around mental health of course but he doesn't seem to have really thrown himself into that like Harry has with Invictus and Sentebale or Kate has with children's wellbeing. And for all her writing on bananas I think Meghan's interest in girls' education is genuine.

Going to go back (quite) a few steps, but I think Eleanor fits the girl brief nicely. Eleanor Elizabeth Diana? Or, Eleanor Diana Elizabeth.
Regal, historic, feminist, gets Harry's mum in ✅✅✅✅.
Maybe Nicholas for a boy, as slightly out there? Nico is a great short name, still classic, yet different. Middle names a bit of a pick-a-mix from Philip, Charles, James, Louis, Arthur, David.