Royal style & gossip: don't be fooled by the rocks that they've got, they're still Katie/Leti/Maxi from the block

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Ok so let me get this right In theory according to precedence if Camillia, Kate, Andrew and Anne were at an event it should go Andrew, Anne, Camillia, Kate but they can choose to forgo it and change things up if they want to?

However if Charles and William also attended it would go C&C, W&K, Andrew then Anne.

@itswinetime - yup. That's it.

There's also a suggestion that at family events (vs state events), even if Charles and William were there, the precedence would then be C&C, Andrew, Anne, W&K. But we don't have any way of proving that.

Really pleased for M&H moving into Frogmore.
She must be in mega nesting mode.
Apparently there have been no parking restrictions requested for the Lindo wing for April.
Apparently Meghan has said appearing all blow dried with her baby is against her ( feminist)principles. She just wants to spend time with her newborn.
She’ll probably quietly have the baby in a local hospital, sneak home and release some photos. Totally normal.

I hope H&M will put a fence around that big pond in Frogmore.

Did she really say that though??

Re order of precedence no amount of googling is helping me find what it is definitively. You'd think <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20131018035756/www.debretts.com/forms-of-address/hierarchies/table-of-precedence-ladies.aspx" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Debrett's would be the most accurate but that link has been archived.

Did she really say that though??

I read it, can’t remember where.

Ah here we go - it was in The Sun but she didn't actually say it, a commentator did. I don't know why they talk about a 4 decade royal tradition when neither Fergie or Sophie gave birth at the Lindo!

I have no strong feelings on if there should or shouldn't be a hospital step photo call. Personally I think it's whatever the new parents want/feel up to.

I'd be surprised if Meghan said anything a direct as that about it post wedding though as it seems a direct criticism of Kate. I don't know much about what she has said pre wedding though so I guess it could of been then.

What I really don't like and I can sense it coming in the press more and more is that this is going to be an excuse to pit the 2 women against each other again, and criticise them for either having the photo or not when it's really a non issue! And they can't do right for doing wrong in this situation!

Interesting piece here on royal births and photocalls. William was the first heir to be born in a hospital!

I didn't realise Charles was born via C-section and the others were VBACs but how would anyone know? Would the details of HM's births be made public?

Didn't royal births used to be attended by someone 'official'? Was that in HMs lifetime? Perhaps if so that's why the details are known.

Although it's always stated the DoC has had straightforward, natural births. I'm not sure how anyone knows! Just an assumption as she's been up and about looking well the next day I suppose - I doubt many people would be walking in heels after a CS (having had an admittedly easy one I can definitely confirm that no amount of morphine would have had me striding around like that within a day or two!).

According to this article Charles was the first birth that wasn't attended but someone to be verified. I have no idea how we know so much about royal births but we seem to.

I don't know how true it is but it also says William was induced because of the pressure on Diana which is a pretty sad thought!

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According to that article Charles' was the first royal birth to not be attended by the Home Sec. I assume there's an operating theatre in BP if it was a CS, otherwise things could've got dicey!

Sorry yes should have been clearer I'm sure it was attended by doctors

God poor Diana. She really was thrown to the wolves.

I read somewhere that Diana claimed she was induced because she was so stressed with all the press attention. Not sure if that is true.
What evidence is there that Charles was a C section? I don't think the Queen would have been allowed to have vaginal deliveries after that, it wasn't advised.
Who would willingly wish to go through that charade on the hospital steps if they didn't have to? It's a nonsense.

Can it really be that a man was standing watching the Royal births to verify the baby came out of the vagina of the Queen? It may be they were waiting downstairs, but in the same room? Really?

Yes, that was the tradition for years. They weren't in the room but they would've been somewhere in the palace. Centuries earlier though, women had to give birth in view of the whole court. I think Marie Antoinette was one who did.

I wonder which hospital Meghan will give birth in. Or maybe a home birth.

But I vaguely recall that Diana had a hospital birth because mothers at that time were still being steered away from home births and the powers-that-be didn't want a royal birth to set up a fashion for home births.

Is the hospital where Sophie gave birth (Frimley?) near Windsor? That would probably make more sense than the Lindo wing.

Thé 3 princes are having a boys night out at the NHM

Charles and Harry have already been for a Curry Lunch today

I really fancy a lamb pasanda and pilau rice right now. < distracted>

I think Princess Margaret was th last Royal birth witnessed by the Home Secretary. He had to schlep up to Scotland.
I bet if Kate has one more. She’ll insist on a home / palace birth.

I wonder which hospital Meghan will give birth in

Royal Berkshire is the closest

Meghan announced her pregnancy just after Eugenie’s wedding which was the 12th of October.
Assume she had her 12 week scan before the wedding, as H&M left on the Sunday, she must due next week !

Right @Queen, you will need a few thread titles lined up!

the princes have arrived

I presume they chatted in the car en route....

They seem ok