Royal style & gossip: don't be fooled by the rocks that they've got, they're still Katie/Leti/Maxi from the block

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I guess going by order of precedence, Camilla would get first dibs, then Sophie and then Kate.The York sisters generally don't attend these events but even if they did I think HM has enough tiaras to go around!

Haha @RosinaAlmaviva

the jewels banned thing is so ridiculous. I'm just not buying it at all. I'm fairly certain that jewels that below to the crown will always be loaned to Camilla or Kate in preference as they will be for them to wear when the queen is gone. Personally jewellery may be different. So yes, a precedence thing. I just think that because everyone loves Harry so much and they are so high profile as a couple everyone keeps forgetting that they're really quite low down the totem pole these days. In 15 years they'll be where Andrew is now. Hopefully, by then they'll have carved out their own role for themselves in a way that is more effective and pleasant than Andrew, but their overall role and position will be the same.

I like CP's style at the awards event. Her hair looks lovely. Clearly professionally done and yet in a way that makes you feel you could possibly do it yourself. If that makes sense? I love a blow dry, but I prefer one that looks like I'm just really really good at doing my hair than one that is obviously the work of a hairdresser.

Sophie wouldn’t have precedence over Kate though?

She does if Edward is there but not if she's on her own.

I didn't realise that Princess Alexandra and Sarah Chatto take precedence over Camilla and Kate etc if they aren't accompanied by their husbands!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_precedence_in_England_and_Wales#Ladies

No, @queen - you're wrong I think. For all formal events, its in the order of closeness to the throne (may well be different privately). So, for example, at a state dinner at which Charles&Camilla, Sophie&Edward, Kate&William were all present, precedence would be C&C, K&W, S&E.

If Harry & Meghan were there they'd come after K&W and before S&E.

Theoretically, I'd assume jewellery would be the same, but I honestly can't see this as a big deal. I imagine that on entry to the family and at your first big event, you pick one or two tiaras you like and if no one else is using them, those become your go tos. It's not like we see Camilla wearing one and then at the next event Sophie is wearing it. So, if anything, for tiaras anyway, it's more like first come first serve.... But the really good stuff (tiaras, fancy jewellery etc) only really comes out for the big events at which the core family are involved.

The ladies not getting same level of precedence if their husbands aren't there is interesting and I'd love to see it in real life. So, eg, if while William is in New Zealand there's some fancy commemorative service in a church (which is always strictly by precedence whether it's a thanksgiving service or a wedding), would kate land up coming in at the end? I get the theory, but I'm not sure that would really work in real life?

How does precedence work is it directly linked to your place/your husbands place in line to the throne in which case until the Cambridge children are old enough to start attending things surely the order, is Camillia, Kate then Meghan. Or is it children of the monarch then heirs? So Camillia, Anne, Sophie Kate then Meghan In which case Meghan is pretty far down at the moment.

Either way the story in the mail is a load of shit! She hasn't leant her any jewels yet as they haven't attended an appropriate event I'm sure kate wasn't lent any till her first state event either ridiculous!

According to that Wikipedia link, if accompanied by their husbands it goes:
HM
Camilla
Sophie
Anne
Kate
Meghan
Autum
Beatrice
Eugenie

But I don't know how to the letter this is when it comes to who's seated where at dinners etc.

It looks like order of precedence derives from relationship to the sovereign rather than proximity to the throne. So it'll all change once Charles becomes King as Camilla then becomes the most high-ranking woman in the country, followed by Kate and then Meghan.

I think!

The jury's out on Max's grey/camel outfit although on paper it should all work brilliantly.

This post in the comments section of that website amused me though, the old cynic:

"Surprised that so many NL people suffer so much lung problem. Would not have realised that. Wonder why/what from."

I see I have crossed posts with most of you so it closeness to the throne if your husband is there!

Interestingly we may get to see that. The Anzac Day service could fall while William is in NZ so Kate may attend alone. It would be very close to meghans expcected due date so they may not attend, so I would guess that would mean the likes of Anne, Andrew and Edward attending especially after the terror attacks this year.

In relation to tiaras, I would suggest the order of precedence is Camilla, followed by Kate, both of whom are likely to be the wives of kings at some future date.

It seem to be something that is changeable as I'm sure at the Dutch state dinner they walked in (with the various partners) the Queen, Charles, Camillia, William, Kate then I'm not sure after that. The same for trooping of the colour and the Remembrance Day at the cenotaph Kate and Camillia are definitely more prominent on the balcony's than the others.

Here's piece on all HM's tiaras. As you can see, she has plenty to go around! My favourites are the ones Zara, Meghan and Eugenie wore on their wedding days.

I remember reading years ago that HM made a change to the order of precedence so that Camilla didn't rank above Anne. Diana was ranked higher than Anne when she was married to Charles.

And in other news H&M have finally moved to Frogmore.

Harry and Megan are in trouble with a random bloke from Reading after Instagram gave their new account his old Instagram name. Apparently the reason he had the name was something to do with football, but he hasn't used it for ages so Instagram reassigned it.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-47813521

He has the same twitter handle and is now tweeting regularly as 'I don't know what the royals are planning down the line.'

Dude, my dude. I don't think it was anything personal

Oh dear Kev, might be worth giving up that Twitter handle just for a peaceful life. Look at all the tweets that American guy called John Lewis gets!

MM is not royal
She is royal by marriage. She is an HRH.

Sarah Chatto doesn’t take precedence over Camilla and Kate. Sarah is not royal.

It looks like order of precedence derives from relationship to the sovereign rather than proximity to the throne.
Right. Technically, children of a monarch outrank the grandchildren of a monarch in precedence. But the British RF don’t always seem to follow this at events.

Sarah Chatto doesn’t take precedence over Camilla and Kate. Sarah is not royal.

Yes, I thought that was odd too but I was only going by what I read online. What about Princess Alexandra? Now she is royal.

Knew we could rely on you @SenecaFalls to know the intricacies of this!

That page on the queen's tiaras is quite astounding

Imagine having all of that.

The Greville Emerald is quite hairbandy- maybe Kate will go for that next. I'd personally have the Lotus flower one, if HRH is asking like.

That wiki link is completely wrong. It might well be the case that's the order WITHOUT the husbands or at private events, but it's not even vaguely true when with them at state events. It always goes C&C, W&K, H&M, then Andrew, his daughters, then Edward&Sophie, his children, then Anne&Tim, then her children. Also, if this was true, Sophie would have been standing in Kate's place with the German wife at the War commemoration service last year.

This was all really driven home to me at one of those thanksgiving services just before Philip retired - I thin it might have been to celebrate 70 years of marriage? Anyway, there they all are, going into church and Andrew found himself up the stairs lickety split while Harry (and possibly william) were a bit behind. He then had to do this awkward loitering thing so that he didn't go forward and say hello to the various dignatories and enter the church, but wait for the others to catch up and overtake him. You could almost feel the awkwardness of the situation and, I felt (because i'm not a fan) his resentment....

But I'm still fascinated by how it would work without the actual royal family husbands (or in theory, wives). And you have to assume that privately, it might be different. Especially without the husbands. In which case, one would assume blooded princes and princesses would always come before mere dukes/duchesses, even if said duke/duchess is married to a prince who is high up the pecking order.