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Les Parisiennes de Mamansnet: Blue Stockings are Back in Fashion

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botemp · 14/12/2018 19:06

Lovers of Parisian style and fashion with a conscious mindset to our wardrobes. Occasionally we pretend this is a proper Salon of the non-beauty kind.


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Methenyouplus4 · 26/12/2018 21:33

Red: I'd say 95% of my purchases are now second hand, that is the most ethical way to consume.

I'm not sure about high end/ethical brands as they are not something I purchase new (due to cost).

I do know that Bo is very knowledgeable though. Generally, if new, I tend to go for places where I can roughly track production e.g. Boden/Peopletree/Finery.

Redandblue11 · 26/12/2018 22:16

Methen yes I agree second hand is the most ethical, I am not quite up there yet in the %95 like you. Hats off to you!
But more like 40-50% but aiming to increase.
From the three brands you mentioned I have bought people tree or boden; have not considered Finery before, thanks!
Me , like you, will only consider second hand on the high end price bracket due to cost.

botemp · 27/12/2018 09:06

Checking in not so briefly as away, will be back in the new year and internet is iffy for now.

Glad to hear everyone enjoyed the advent calendar, I've even been adapting some things myself as a result Smile

I think the ethical dilemma is exactly that, a dilemma. Often brands will do well in one subsection like sustainability, workers rights abroad and/or locally, etc. but not in other areas.

It's rare that they get it right on all fronts and still make clothes you actually want to wear. I'm a bit wary of it in a sense, it reminds me a lot of greenwashing as seen in other industries. Vegan often means shit for the environment because they'll more likely incorporate synthetic fabrics. It's not much of an issue here yet but since the second hand market is on the up I expect it will become an issue the way it is in some areas of the US, where higher income groups have taken on 'thrifting' as a hobby and driven up the price by increasing demand coupled with high spending power and leaving those in genuine need without access to low priced clothes with a base quality higher than fast fashion.

A new sustainable brand seems to launch weekly, as much as I want to support them all that feels problematic too as inevitably several will go belly up. On top of that sozes are often limited and cuts are basic. I love the idea of Everlane but getting it flown back and forth from the US plus all the hassle of returns and import taxes (the Everlane ones are particularly problematic, they charge a fee, you have to pay the return costs and you lose the prepaid taxes). Similar brands here are still small, I have mentioned some UK based ones here, Olive Clothing, Ninety Percent and recently I saw of interest a Scandi one, Kerber, and a French one Alfa.

I sort of accept I'll never be perfect with this, I tend to source the majority of my clothes come from what I consider the secondary circuit which includes, previous years' stock (online outlets basically), consignment shops, sample sales, physical outlets (though I rarely visit these), occasional eBay and I keep eyeing things at Vestiaire but I dislike the high shipping costs. Certain things are just very hard to get, like the white roll neck jumper I knew was going to be hard to find anywhere but new.

I did a few months of fast fashion free this summer (only broken by necessity of ridiculously hot weather and short time frames) and it has been quite nice. For me it's stepping out of the mentality of buying instantly, I can hold off now and just think about buying something. In the past I did buy and often returned things after being unconvinced. Basically I cut out that noise and I'm really not missing out on the rare good gems you find in FF. An article popped up coincidentally yesterday about Giving up fast fashion for a year, I do like the quote about buying something so expensive it hurts. I don't really have an issue spending but on fairly ordinary things it can hurt, like socks, or plain cotton underwear as I'm not completely convinced they're better quality at 10 or 20x the price, you really are just paying for a slightly higher grade cotton (which you stop noticing after a few washes unless you iron them Confused) or wool and that it's fabricated in Europe (no guarantee for fairer labour treatment but likelihood of exploitation tends to be lower).

We've also discussed on here that it's a privilege to be able to have these choices and quite easy to do in some shape or form when you've got time/money/inclination so it can come across a touch patronising at times.

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Methenyouplus4 · 27/12/2018 09:54

I agree with that Bo. I was listening to a podcast where Stella McCartney was being interviewed, and while her ethics were admirable, the high price tag attached just makes them unrealistic to the vast majority (myself included in that).

I was having a discussion with my my uncle about a similar issue on Christmas Day but re: food. Near us, we have a couple if wonderful fruit/vegetable producers. One is an organic crop share where everything is grown on-site (about 6 miles from me) and the crop split between members, furthermore, you can do a works have to get your crop (making it accessible to those who otherwise couldn't afford it). It's a fab scheme: local, organic, sustainable. But the flip side is that you can go to Aldi and buy a bag of veg for 29p per bag. Plus get all your other food while you are there. If you are working/busy and lower income, it's not a hard choice to make.

I feel the same about the zero waste movement; a raft of Insta pages with photos of bambo toothbrushes (about £3 a pop) and organic gamers market veg, with all the emphasis on individuals yet little focus on the massive companies, who are really need to be at the heart of the change.

Floisme · 27/12/2018 10:21

I think we're stuck. Most of us have got used to owning far more clothes than our parents/grandparents did and we've lost touch with how much it really costs to make them, I include myself here by the way. But at the same time, wages are depressed and most high street clothes - even at the so called quality end - just aren't made to last. With the best will in the world, it's hard to see a way of breaking that cycle.

I probably buy second hand around 70% of the time but I won't pretend I only do it for ethical reasons - it's also the only way I can afford to buy the stuff I really like. And I'm still partial to a bit of fast fashion which is why I'd struggle to get that percentage much higher.

Redandblue11 · 27/12/2018 15:42

Yes, quite a dilemma that one.
Thinking about it probably shifting my mindset not to impulse buy has been my biggest change.
I am not kidding myself tough and know that I can afford to make certain choices due to my economic position in society... but I have always been an optimistic (naive) and think that if we all do a little bit then it improves the overall situation...

On a different topic just read this on the bbc and made me cringe how badly was written . Just let’s take a few pictures and make basic comments...
www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-46617892

quirkychick · 27/12/2018 16:34

I also buy a lot second hand, I think it's a plus that it's ethical, but agree that my main motivation is getting something good quality for a good price like flo. I also think that by choosing to try and buy better quality I'm not buying/wasting as much, I hope.

It is the same with food, at Christmas we order our meat through our local, organic butcher and it's lovely. However, we just can't afford to buy everything from them. We have a small, organic supermarket and café near dd2's school, again we can't afford to buy all our shopping there, it's very expensive. We are lucky that a lot of local produce is very good, so I suppose we compromise with some Aldi and some local independent shops.

Copying flo's idea of purple and green, I wore my teal/green tartan scarf with my purple velvet coat. I wouldn't normally pair them together but they were both slightly soft jewel colours, felt quite festive too Grin.

Red I hope whoever wrote that didn't get paid much for it.

Methenyouplus4 · 27/12/2018 21:52

Was looking through my Pinterest board for inspiration for when I go to Harrogate. I think I'd quite like a patterned silk blouse with a low v neck...

Les Parisiennes de Mamansnet: Blue Stockings are Back in Fashion
Les Parisiennes de Mamansnet: Blue Stockings are Back in Fashion
Methenyouplus4 · 27/12/2018 21:53

A blouse with this style of neck (no idea what it is called)...

Les Parisiennes de Mamansnet: Blue Stockings are Back in Fashion
Les Parisiennes de Mamansnet: Blue Stockings are Back in Fashion
Methenyouplus4 · 27/12/2018 21:55

Loose knitwear- would love tips on how to make this look chic rather than grunge. I'm braid shouldered too so raglan style shoulder doesn't suit me.

Les Parisiennes de Mamansnet: Blue Stockings are Back in Fashion
Les Parisiennes de Mamansnet: Blue Stockings are Back in Fashion
Les Parisiennes de Mamansnet: Blue Stockings are Back in Fashion
Methenyouplus4 · 27/12/2018 21:57

Brown trousers that can be dressed up/down. Ideally high waisted but not flared.

Les Parisiennes de Mamansnet: Blue Stockings are Back in Fashion
Les Parisiennes de Mamansnet: Blue Stockings are Back in Fashion
Methenyouplus4 · 27/12/2018 22:00

Also interested in the idea of a blush pink or pinky/Brown on the bottom half. Not sure how practical this would be and also feel I would need a more structured fabric rather than something fluid to avoid looking like a house end from the rear. Think I might struggle finding anything of this shade at this time of year though.

Methenyouplus4 · 27/12/2018 22:02

Liked this almost military/trench style skirt too, but am dubious that it woukd be more workwear for me (and that isn't a priority if due to reduced working hours).

Les Parisiennes de Mamansnet: Blue Stockings are Back in Fashion
Les Parisiennes de Mamansnet: Blue Stockings are Back in Fashion
Methenyouplus4 · 27/12/2018 22:04

Lastly, chic but comfortable flats for my broad feet. NOT suede (which is what I am usually drawn too) as it is a poor choice with our ever changing British weather and the fact that I am often making impromptu visits to the park after school pick up etc.

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CatherineMaitland · 27/12/2018 22:22

I just try to buy carefully rather than wastefully. The thing is if everyone is doing that, that has to be a good thing generally?... or perhaps I am just trying to cheer myself up with that rather than thinking more deeply.

I noticed a lot of performative "oh dear, no more fast fashion" from bloggers and instagram after the programme about fast fashion doing damage came out a few months ago, but I'd bet good money that nothing has really changed in blog-world. (I follow it less now)

In other news, I have got a filthy cold so have cheered myself up spending a Christmas John Lewis gift voucher on a red cashmere scarf.

CatherineMaitland · 27/12/2018 22:27

I love that loose knitwear look.

botemp · 28/12/2018 06:33

Red, yes, I think it's great to use your money as a voice. I just feel that the word ethical in relation to fashion currently is very muddied, a bit like 'clean' has become in relation to food, or 'natural' in cosmetics. The marketeers have taken over and that's when I always get suspicious.

Like Catherine noted, it's more fashionable to appear to be 'ethical' which is rather hilarious coming from fashion bloggers whose entire USP is based on selling you new clothes several times a week.

I make no delusions about it that I buy more than I need, spend more than I need to, etc. I can dress it up as much as I like but there's a self serving element to it that absolves a certain amount of guilt over it.

Methen, what sort of shops are at Harrogate? I like the look of what you're after, such preparations never work for me though when it comes to outlet villages. I always tend to find the unexpected and none of what I had intended to look for.

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CatherineMaitland · 28/12/2018 08:03

Exactly - it was all "Oh shit, no more fast fashion" followed by "Here's 50 blazers I like for this week, the 159 best dresses in Top Shop, and the 12 essentials you need to buy on pay day." Some of the older bloggers are better and have genuinely tried to shift the emphasis though.

ToElleWithIt · 28/12/2018 08:13

Nice images methen. Put me down for the khaki skirt plus nude shirt combo and the brown trousers, oooh and the knitwear.

I completely agree that there is a tipping point where consuming lots of “ethical” fashion is absolutely doing more harm overall than a small warbrobe from the high street.

On a personal level at the sales I resisted the things I would have been drawn to in seasons past - typically a very distinctive piece of the season, now reduced. Instead I only bought two things. A black dress from joeseph, shown here with my invisible heels and a toffee colored silk t-shirt that I didn’t photograph on me. The green coat I tried before was reduced, but I decided I didn’t like the way it looked when closed which is sort of a major stumbling block for a coat unless you’re a Kardashian or Meghan Markle (though she gets a pass on account of being pregnant!).

Les Parisiennes de Mamansnet: Blue Stockings are Back in Fashion
Les Parisiennes de Mamansnet: Blue Stockings are Back in Fashion
Redandblue11 · 28/12/2018 08:32

Methen waking up to lovely images. Really like the silk v neck blouses and those tops with not “a halter neck” but kinda similar...

Elle that dress really suits you and hangs beautifully, what fabric is it?
Also the silk top, can you hand wash or only dry clean?

Off to my shower and we are off exploring York, I doubt I will have any time to stop at any shops tough.

quirkychick · 28/12/2018 08:34

Lovely images, methen. I have a similar spotty silk blouse from Jigsaw, that I bought last summer (charity shop). I have worn it loads, it's a very fine, matte silk, though mostly worn in warmer weather, as it's not too thin for winter. I'm not sure what the sleeveless style is called, but it looks like a variation on a halterneck. I like it, though, I think it would be very flattering on wide shoulders. Love the knitwear, I need to find the magic compromise between slightly loose, chunky knitwear and not too bulky and frumpy. I find textured or sculptural but slightly fitted often works.

Nice purchases, Elle. The dress looks very lovely on, love the "heels" too.

Methenyouplus4 · 28/12/2018 08:52

Elle:The black dress is a lovely fit in you, very elegant. I think we've all popped on the invisible heels before, your toned frame makes you look like a ballet dancer.

I was thinking back to a point in my life when I had very little money, about 14 years ago. It was 'poor' to the point that bills were but on a credit card and veg was bought in the exact amount e.g. 2 carrots, 1 potato etc. I was at university, living alone and with a young baby. I bought really cheap clothes then, not many (I mainly made do with old things) but to wear for interviews etc. I think part of the mind set is that you also hope it will be temporary, that things will get better and circumstances will allow you to get nicer things. I had the view that it just needed to do me a year so didn't nerd to last well etc.

Harrogate has lots of the usual higher end high street such as Hobbs, Jaeger, Whistles, Jigsaw, Toast etc, but the real attraction for me (apart from the gorgeous architecture) is lots of little independent shops, boutiques and fantastic charity shops.

The outlet is a mixed bag, I can't remember exactly what was there but a mix of high street (Jules, White Stuff, Levi) higher end (FCUK, The Kooples) and a couple of designer (Calvin Klien, Armani). The designer ones were pretty poor (bought underwear in CK last time and that was it).

I suppose, as I said, for me it is the luxury of 3 days browsing, trying, etc. It feels like such a treat. To be honest, the car journey is just under two hours and even that time in the car with my mum, a hot coffee and no kids is precious.

ToElleWithIt · 28/12/2018 09:04

redandblue dress is a 4-way mix of virgin wool, viscose, polyamid and elastane. It does hang nicely.www.joseph-fashion.com/en-gb/fulton-compact-robe-dress-jp000521_0010.html?dwvar_jp000521__0010_color=BLACK&cgid=dresses#p=3&start=1

I’ve taken to putting my silk in the machine on a silk cycle with special detergent and so far, so good! I don’t have time for hand washing and dry cleaning was getting ridiculous.

ToElleWithIt · 28/12/2018 09:05

Oh enjoy the browsing methenyou. That sounds wonderful.

SophieLion · 28/12/2018 14:08

It is a lovely dress ToElleWithIt and looks gorgeous on you. Sadly it's all sold out in my size.

Merry Christmas to you all and wishing you all the best for 2019!

Big thank you to Bo too as the advent calendar is wonderful - was inspired to dig out a grey coat and do an all grey look one day. Must have taken you hours. Most appreciated Thanks

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