Royal style & gossip: more gowns, less frowns

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Link to previous thread.

And once again, let's keep this good-spirited. Spiteful comments are about as welcome as Fergie at Prince Philip's birthday party!

I think there's probably an old Crown thread that can be revived

I watched the Crown whilst googling so many bits to see if they were factual.

Vanessa Kirby was excellent and looked fabulous throughout. Didn't she just?

I actually think Olivia Coleman looks much more like an older Vanessa Kirby and HBC looks more like Claire Foy.

I agree actually! Hadn't thought of that.

Neither had I but it is true. Interesting. However, I am sure that both actresses will be great. I especially like Olivia Coleman. She is really really good in everything she does. The Favourite opens in our city next week, and I plan to see it the first day.

I keep meaning to watch The Crown but haven't got round to it yet (got a long list on Netflix to watch)
I think I'll start on Sunday (will have a break from watching Law & Order SVU back to back)
Random fact Mariska Hargitay (Olivia Benson on L&OSVU) is the daughter of Jayne Mansfield who met the Queen in that earlier photo posted.

Ok, I’ve set up a new The Crown thread on Streamed TV.
We’ll start at the beginning and convene there to discuss.
Perfect for a rainy weekend!

No binge watching though. We have to savooouuur It!

TracyBeaker
I just googled Mariska, Jayne Mansfield's daughter.
So sad, she was in the car that crashed and killed her mother, Jayne.

I just read about the car accident too bean. Gosh. 3 kids and 4 dogs in the back all relatively okay. Three grown ups in the front killed. The immediate aftermath must have been shocking. 3am or so, so probably no-one around, bar the driver of the vehicle they smashed into. Obviously no mobile phones etc.

I didn't realise she died so young (34). What an eventful life though: 3 marriages, 5 kids.

And the underride bar on big rigs designed to prevent similar injuries and deaths is familiarly called a Mansfield bar in the US. What an eerie legacy.

For anyone wanting to know more about Jayne Mansfield's life, or the history of Hollywood in general, I recommend the podcast You Must Remember This which is fantastic. There's an episode on Mansfield and three on Marilyn Monroe.

And yes, MM was nowhere near a modern size 16. I went to see her clothes on display prior to an auction a couple of years ago and none of them looked larger than a 10 at most.

One of my favourite scenes from The Crown is when HM comes in with her new, shorter, haircut - which she's had ever since. Philip's face, then he asks her if she remembers that she wanted another child

It was a funny scene but it didn't make sense to me because HM's hairdo at the time would have been perceived as young and fashionable, not the old-lady style it is today. Plus I couldn't imagine HM keeping a hairstyle Philip disliked for more than a few weeks, let alone a few decades!

I can imagine her keeping it just to be stubborn!

rosina I think the implication was meant to be she looked like a typical 'forces' wife at a time when Philip was allegedly cavorting / having his head turned by glamorous fashion forward swinging 60's models. It was seen as helmet hair and not fashionable (according to my mum anyway!) and given the queen's age, probably older than her years

It was the time of Jean Shrimpton and there was a big thing at the time because she went motor racing and had bare legs, which was considered scandalous. She was very beautiful.

Well I can imagine Philip being flirtatious but to go beyond that no I don't think so - though I imagine he got himself in some situations where it could have been possible if he wanted to. Perhaps he just wanted to fly close to the edge & liked the thrill of if he wanted to he could but didn't out of decency. Bit like me when I was way younger

Imagine 70 yrs of marriage. That's fabulous but who sends a telegram to the Queen?

A size 16 used to be a 38, 24, 38 figure.

Ooh Queen Margarethe is in London. I wonder if she and HM meet up for a G&T and chat about all things queenly?

And in Italy Pierre and Beatrice Casiraghi attended the opera at La Scala. As usual, she looks amazing.

Yes in the episode HMQ says all the officer’s wives are wearing it that way (not to forget some of her happiest times were socializing with naval wives and officers on Malta as a young early 20s wife). I imagine she wasn’t really socializing with people who were at the cutting edge of the changing fashions of the 1960s. Also it is somewhat sexist and also cumbersome that she is expected by Philip to be at the height of sexy fashion while in her role as staid representative of the Crown! A king could wear the same hairstyle and pretty much the same clothes for decades and no one would blink.

In fact Prince Charles is a good example, same hairstyle and taste in clothes since the age of 18 (or earlier, I saw they gave him that haircut when shaking hands in a kilt at the age of 5!).

Historically and socially speaking HMQ and what she represented was very much a figure that the 1960s were rebelling against: tradition, the establishment, formal manners, gender roles, stuffiness, organized religion, monotony, strict class barriers and the fear of anything “foreign” and unfamiliar.

The Duchess of Gloucester, who met Queen Magarethe is Danish too Must be nice for Birgitte to chat in her mother tongue.

CP Mary & her children and who I think are her parents

I always think it must be strange for the non royal grandparents. Suddenly thrust into the limelight for something you didn’t ask for. And to be outranked by your grandchild!

CP Mary's mother died; that's her step mum.

Princess Margarethe of Denmark on her wedding day in 1967. Her groom was a French diplomat; Henri de Monpazat.
They were all young once...

Oops, forgot photo