Eyeliner recommendation

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Evening all, I'm looking for a vegan friendly black eyeliner that doesn't leave me looking like I've got panda eyes after half an hour, I have quite watery eyes so it needs to be quite smudge proof! Anybody?

Kat Von D tattoo liner x

Kat Von D Tattoo if you like pen-style liners.

Urban Decay Perversion if you like pencils.

Thanks for the replies, I'm a bit anti Kat Von D for various reasons,will check out urban decay though although I think they're owned by L'Oréal so not vegan (could be wrong)

Yes, UD are owned by L'Oréal. Kat Von D is about as vegan as they come (anti vaccine views included!)

The Kat Von D liners are amazing but can understand you not wanting to buy from her line for personal reasons.

Illamasqua precision liner and gel liner are both great and long lasting, vegan and not owned by a parent company so that’s assured. m.illamasqua.com/shop/vegan.list?facetFilters=en_cosmetictype_content:Eye+Liners

Thank you, I'll check those out it's more Kat Von D's ableist and anti Semitic comments that I object to.

Any recommendations for a black(ish) eyeliner pencil that I can use on the lashline? Not liquid or felt tip. Something that is quite soft but doesn't fall to bits when I sharpen it. Not necessarily vegan - we keep chickens..