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CookingUpAStormTonight · 15/02/2018 13:03

New thread I hope.

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Fruitbowl2 · 15/03/2018 19:41

Eek me three adidas, wipsglitter, and everybody else who puts on a catsuit to gif dance with them 🙈

Fruitbowl2 · 15/03/2018 19:42

There were also Dorset Cereal awards for boutique air bnbs last year so I wonder if they'll be trotting off to them soon.

I think Dorset Cereal is minging.

ElspethFlashman · 15/03/2018 19:47

Stephdontbuymeflowers said today she was meant to be going to a retreat in Dorset but tbe baby is poorly so she can't go. I presume it was this cereal thing. Hmm

RoundOffFlickFlack · 15/03/2018 22:21

New One Roof Social blog is a good read >

www.oneroofsocial.com/single-post/2018/03/05/Is-it-a-ad---The-2018-Update

Though I would argue none of this is particularly 'new' to most the people who have been following this thread.

Affiliate link disclosures don't appear to be covered in the blog.

RoundOffFlickFlack · 15/03/2018 22:27

Now this is interesting >

www.asa.org.uk/news/our-call-for-evidence-recognition-and-labelling-of-online-ads.html

Shall we send them a link to this and the last 2 threads? Grin.

PavlovaPrincess · 15/03/2018 22:31

A champagne fuelled #retreat attended by fashion bloggers promoting....breakfast cereal. Wut

My thoughts exactly. I'm not seeing the connection at all and it's definitely not inspiring me to buy the cereal. In fact, it's probably the opposite.

Fruitbowl2 · 15/03/2018 23:33

RoundOffFlickFlack
That sure is interesting!

nipersvest · 16/03/2018 08:54

all these influencer events seem very london centric in their invite lists. I follow Susie So So and really rate her as a fashion blogger, I'm wondering if its harder to make a bigger impact in this 'industry' when you don't live in or around London.

chloechloe · 16/03/2018 11:05

Thanks for the links. I found this interesting in the One Roof Social article:

"The dubious fact that 70% of UK consumers believe that influencer marketing is not regulated at all (we’re not actually sure 70% of UK consumers know what influencer marketing is but hey), and a further 60% heavily doubting brand’s transparency about sponsored content, it’s clear that there’s a big tidy up we need to do here to re-instate brand credibility and regain customer trust in both brands and Influencers."

Somebody clearly thinks that they are the authority on the issue and way above their idiot followers. What's the chance the intro was written by AEH?

RoundOffFlickFlack · 16/03/2018 11:21

I'm not going there! As this mumsnet thread does seem to a source of inspiration for a few of the recent One Roof blogs (or perhaps its just a coincidence that we seem to be discussing certain issues before they get to them Hmm), they surely can't be referring to contributors to this thread Grin

What I liked about the ASA link was that the question wasn't whether influencer marketing should be disclosed, but rather how it should be disclosed. The fact it should be disclosed is taken as a given. Also sounds like the ASA is gearing up to toughen up if needs be. Shouldn't be a problem for the bloggers that have already proactively started being transparent. Some of the others on the other hand....

Ididnthearanything · 16/03/2018 11:33

I've just had a few minutes to skim this. I am considering deleting the Instagram app as it now appears to be one long ad. Such a pity as I did like it. I've already unfollowed many Instagrammers mentioned here (AEH included, bless her but I didn't warm to her, em, comments and opinions).

It's got to the point where I now look for the Instagrammer to say 'this is not sponsored in any way' before I believe it's not an ad.

I hope Instagram do start looking for a percentage soon. That will be interesting.

RoundOffFlickFlack · 16/03/2018 11:37

My eyeroll-o meter goes off the scale when I see certain bloggers state ‘this isn’t sponsored’ when I know they don’t declare gifts normally anyway.

Ididnthearanything · 16/03/2018 12:25

Gosh I feel so naive RoundOff! Hadn't thought of that. There really is no answer so, but to view it all as ad.

ABuckToothedGirlinLuxembourg · 16/03/2018 13:56

Get ready to see the Orwell Austen love jumper on every blogger! #gift.

BitterBette · 16/03/2018 14:12

Ugh. I checked a blog today, someone I used to follow religiously but stopped when they became just one massive advert. They've done a review of a health screening service and in teeny tiny writing at the end of their post (after a description of the cost of the various tests, and their social media link buttons and links to other posts) "my test was complimentary (I asked them lol), but you know me, all opinions are my own ;) "
firstly that disclaimer takes the piss, "winky face I got this service worth £99 for free lol" and secondly, screw that provider. I've spent lots of money with them over the last year having several rounds of tests to help me manage a chronic health condition and not seen any discounts. It really annoys me that they are giving away tests to bloggers with really quite small followings just because they ask! And then for that blogger to have their disclaimer hidden away under everything else.

RoundOffFlickFlack · 16/03/2018 14:47

Ididnthearanything I don't mean to say they aren't telling the truth about posts not being sponsored, just to say that I have noticed some of the same bloggers don't disclose gifts when they wear them on their feed. So why make such a point of saying other posts are not sponsored? Are we just to assume everything else is advertising? Its not good enough.

cocoblu · 16/03/2018 17:21

I've found these threads really interesting and it has led me to think about how I engage with instagram, The last few things I have purchased have been as a result of links etc and it gave me real cause to think about my purchases as I really dont need everything I see on insta! This has led me to a Danish instagramner, Useless.dk she is all about the capsule wardrobe, no hauls or endless sponsored content. She shops her wardrobe and is a great antidote to a lot of the bloggers that I follow. I make much more considered purchases now rather than getting caught up in the insta haze

Fruitbowl2 · 16/03/2018 17:28

Yikes I've really only recently realised so much of it is on the sly sponsored. I kept seeing the same sweatshirts, products, holidays etc. etc. Now aren't they just putting untagged products in posts/stories and waiting to be asked about them? I don't believe they can spend that much of their own dosh endlessly purchasing clothes/furniture/beauty products.

And now the link they all have to that Binky idiot and another room of white posh women selling 'sisterhood' retreats. It's utter bullsh*t.

I feel really sorry for young mothers following this stuff. I deleted Instagram 3 days ago and I feel so much better for it. (I googled the tribe sh*te when I read about it).

finks100 · 16/03/2018 17:33

Did anyone listen to radio 5 this morning, the advertising standards agency are cracking down on non-disclosure!

CookingUpAStormTonight · 16/03/2018 17:49

Really liked what Billie Piper had to say on the sisterhood in The Times in February. "She’s weary of “the whole sisterhood thing” on Instagram. “Or, at least, I have my reservations,” she says carefully. “Under the guise of being all supportive and there for each other, women can be very judgy and competitive, especially on social media. The emotions are the same, it’s just the semantics that have changed.....
I absolutely agree. I find the whole women supporting women campaign quite scary. What on earth is wrong with just supporting worthwhile, good people. Sounds too much like a marketing strategy to me.

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CookingUpAStormTonight · 16/03/2018 17:54

...... and now we are being told that "girls support girls" by Orwell Austen and the Brand Ambassadors. Not sure who they are but seems they want me to buy a £150 jumper - what, just to show support? I think not!

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Fruitbowl2 · 16/03/2018 17:54

I agree Cooking. I respect people - male or female- with good values. I don't have respect for people using their kids to sell products, who keep supporting the same 5 other white women who look EXACTLY like them, so they can sell the rest of us crap so they can go on 4 holidays a year.

RoundOffFlickFlack · 16/03/2018 18:07

It’s kind of a form of gaslighting. Basically an attempt to undermine people who don’t agree with you - there have been moments where I have thought I must be a horrible person for not lapping it all up when other people don’t seem to mind this form of insidious marketing. Moments when you think “maybe I am just jealous” (I’m really not). I don’t agree with mean personal comments that are off topic, that’s never ok, whether delivered to/from a man or a woman

mytether · 17/03/2018 10:15

I posted up-thread and on an earlier thread under a different name. I know I am going round and round the same subject so big apologies if I am being boring/repetitive, but I have been thinking about this a lot. I initially thought transparency was the main thing on these instagram feeds - the EDs, DMBL40, Frugality, etc etc (not just those ones, but those are the ones I know best). But now I have seen a lot more transparency and I continue to think there is a big ethical problem with and for those types of accounts.

I know that of course adults can choose not to follow these accounts. But I still think the moral position of their owners remains quite ambiguous. Often they start off providing advice and helpful hints etc, but then they monetise, at which point they really need to make sure that their influence continues to be really influential. If it isn't, and people don't buy the things they write about, then presumably they are not much use to brands. And, presumably, the more stock they can shift, the more brands want to work with them?

So they are trying to do two things at once. Present themselves as supporters of women, all in it together kind of thing, book clubs, body confidence etc, but they are simultaneously acting against women with this incredibly effective drip-drip feed of 'more.' I am sure they can justify this to themselves on the basis again that followers can choose what to buy and what not, or to unfollow, but I think that would be fairly disingenous because they are still in the business of actively creating that feeling of need and therefore of lack, which stimulates spending. So they are absolutely at the heart of a fairly rapacious advertising industry and they are doing that in part by masquerading as something quite different. As our 'friends'.

I don't blame them for this (not saying I wouldn't take the money and the gifts) and I don't think it makes them bad people. We all face moral dilemmas, all the time. I just really wonder what it feels like to them? Do they feel this moral ambiguity? If they do, perhaps the move to transparency helps them to deal with that internally - but in some ways that then exacerbates the problem, on the basis that problems with this really insidious form of marketing for which they have become the tool have apparently been solved? Dunno ... just to emphasise, I am not talking from some assumed moral high ground here, I just think it's an interesting subject.

Perhaps one's answer to this might relate to one's orientation towards capitalism overall! If you are entirely relaxed about our consumer society and the effects of fast fashion then I guess this wouldn't seem like a problem at all. But if not ... dunno! I am morally conflicted because I love clothes, but hate a form of capitalism which makes us feel dissatisfied, all the time.

mytether · 17/03/2018 10:28

God. That was really long!