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New thread I hope.

I have watched and rewatched the AH post about MN and I find it very confused. (Should say I have never commented on her as I don't follow her.) She is clearly upset about the comments on this thread which she feels are personal ........ and yet she admits to fuelling the fire by dishing out generalised comments to MN in general. It is hopelessly naive/disingenuous to suggest that, if we knew her, we would understand it is just her manner. We don't know her and, as such, we can't be expected to make allowances for her comments.
That said, her comments on the role of influencers are important and that is where the focus should lie. I have tried really hard to refrain from personal comments and I would ask that the Instamums can prevail on their followers to do likewise. I only ever came here to argue for transparency. If MOD and DMBL are now exhibiting that transparency then that is fantastic and absolutely to their credit.

Well I’ve had a look at Anna’s stories / live thing on my daughters IG. Safe to say I’m the MN person she says was absolutely vile - I wasn’t - I sent her two messages. She has mentioned me by name - thanks Anna - let’s slag me off on something you’ve blocked me from seeing - that’s nice!!

The posts she posted which made her cry - none of those were posted by me - all I’ve ever said is that she was rude - she’s told thousands of people I’m vile.

Cheers Anna my life had enough problems before but I feel really really amazing to have been named by you. I have never called you vile. I’m physically shaking having seen that video.

Btw my messages to Anna were to say I thought she’d been rude slagging off MN. I spend very little time on MN / IG - I work, have a family all that kind of crap.

Anna was all over the place in that live video thing. I logged into DH’s Instagram to watch it. One or two personal negative comments on MM and she makes it sounds it was a barrage of them.
Apparently her belittling comments about Mumsnetters a few months ago were just her sense of humor and anyone who knows her would know that. And it’s ok because it was about Mumsnetters as a whole and not an individual being targeted like she was.
Says she’s open to debate and will talk to anyone person to person but not engage with nameless people via mumsnet or Instagram (or at least that’s what I think she’s saying. But obviously it’s ok to earn income from nameless randomers who click on her links!!

Odd!

I sat through the stories as well to see what she had said. Gosh. I can see she is upset, but doxxing people is pretty low by anyone's standards. As much as I find the idea of mumsnet giving her the keys to their filing cabinet laughable, threatening to do so is pretty appalling. For someone saying that they think she is unlikeable? Seriously? The comments on that post again call mumsnetters jealous, haters (natch), and someone even says we will all go to a 'special place in hell' - lovely!

Anyway, I've had enough of discussing her and would like to move on to other things. I'm sorry she upset you LadyLazarus.

Yes, I also found the "I'll soon know your names" comment unprofessional/disturbing/bizarre.

Well she knows my name - first name and last. I sent her 2 dm’s (deliberately dm’s as I didn’t want to criticise her publicly as I felt that was mean) and she’s slagged me behind my back to thousands.

She has no need to look through MN’s cupboards she has all my details.

Anna I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings but trust me it’s nothing compared to what you’ve done to me. I’m now having to explain to my kids that mummy’s fine and is just crying about some silly thing. Jesus if she can make middle aged me feel like this no wonder teens kill themselves because of IG!!!

Can @Mumsnet clarify then if they will be passing over usernames to Anna??

I find the whole "if only you were a digital marketer like me you would understand" very patronising!!

Plus called people keyboard warriors and then naming them is a bit rich!

It’s a right old shitstorm isn’t it, with internet punches being thrown on both sides. Had she not made those numerous snipey MN comments months ago, I wouldn’t have even known who she was in all honesty. Now I’ve inadvertently made her cry. That saddens me. But...I did write it, I have to accept that.

I’m sorry you’re so upset lady Lazarus. Xxx

I don’t believe Mumsnet could possibly pass over information they hold behind our Usernames (presuming AH meant email addresses/IP addresses). It would surely be a data protection issue if they did.

Ridiculous comment for AH to make.

Maybe she plans to get hold of our IP addresses to block our internet 😂

Unless you've done something illegal then no they can't. Not much of an IG marketeer after all then.

Talk about delusions of grandeur.

I don’t believe Mumsnet could possibly pass over information they hold behind our Usernames

Lol, is that what she said? Tbh, I couldn't get past the first couple of minutes of her self-pitying live story. I don't think MN could do that anyway, would it be a form of doxxing?

If she wants to DM though, I'll quite happily give her my real name/email address/whatever although I don't know what she plans to do with it I stand by all my comments on this thread. If she's such a sensitive little sausage that she can't handle one person saying she's unlikeable, maybe the Internet isn't for her.

I find the whole "if only you were a digital marketer like me you would understand" very patronising!!

Totally agree!

It would be a privacy violation for MN to hand over personal information to anyone. If Anna feels her reputation has been defamed I suppose she could apply for leave from the courts to subpoena personal information, but I'm sure as a digital marketer she is aware of the 'honest opinion' defence and that it is unlikely she has a case.

I stand by all my comments (none of which have been personal, and none about AH), but doubt very much that MN would be legally allowed to give AH my details, especially based on her not liking a couple of comments made about her on this thread.

My only point to AH would be that she may have worked in digital marketing for years, but I certainly haven't. I had been (until this valuable thread) naive about the rampant gifting, and undisclosed advertising on blogs and IG.

She may be able to educate me, but by saying she is "sick of the naivety of people", certainly doesn't make me want to engage with her.

If Anna feels her reputation has been defamed I suppose she could apply for leave from the courts to subpoena personal information, but I'm sure as a digital marketer she is aware of the 'honest opinion' defence and that it is unlikely she has a case.

For saying I found her unlikable? It can’t be nice to read such comments I’m sure, but I was reading someone else’s insta (completely unrelated to this thread) the other day and someone called her a whore. Now that’s the kind of thing that would make me cry.

Are you feeling ok now lady Lazarus?

Well as a layperson, I can't see that any defamation has occurred, just honest opinion, and MN is pretty quick to remove any posts that could potentially be defamation.

If Anna isn't accurately disclosing affiliate links It would an odd choice for her to pursue the matter legally.

BuckToothed thank you I am - just really shocked if I’m honest to here myself described as really vile - have just been looking back through the thread as I knew I’d posted part of my message to Anna here (my messages disappeared from my IG when she deleted me) - anyway this is what I said (word for word):

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Anyway please don’t be so defensive- my message was meant to be friendly and generous and I hoped it was taken that way. I did find your latest comment about MN rude.

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Is that really vile???

Ironically I joined MN when dh nearly died a couple of years ago from a very serious illness- fortunately he recovered but it has been a long, hard process but has left him with some lasting health problems and if I’m honest has left me with a degree of anxiety- anyway MN was a bit of fun to take my mind of things (I name change as I’ve posted about dh’s Illness to help others struggling with similar and I’d rather not leave too much of a paper trail as it’s a type of illness which people are funny about). I joined IG as I had low self esteem (again due to dh’s illness - he was a very severe alcoholic and I have had a very hard few years although thankfully things are now good) - and I wanted to find fun in fashion again. Funny how both of these things have backfired on me

Anyway I’ve overshared so probably best to name change (shame I liked this one with the Sylvia Plath reference).

Thank you for asking though I’ll be fine.

Bloody hell still me!! I’m bored with myself now

Anyway thinking about it the only thing I regret saying to AH was that I was thinking of unfollowing CLTS due to her lack of transparency- I don’t think I really “got” Chloe then - anyway now I bloody love her - she’s really struck a chord with how I feel and her stories always cheer me up, she comes across as positive and happy and that, in turn has a positive affect on me

Glad you’re feeling better. X

That certainly doesn’t look like something deserving of being called vile over.

Yes CLTS is lovely. Her account is very refreshing.

I’ve had a think about all this. Not being a follower of AH, the only time I view anything she writes is when it’s mentioned here on these bloggers and brands threads. And that’s often negative, so I’m only seeing the one side. And I shouldn’t be judging someone based on one side should I? Lesson learned. Because making someone cry isn’t acceptable.

I CBA to watch her live again, but agree it was very patronising. She said sth about people having a wrong opinion. Opinions can't be wrong though can they. What she means is I know best so don't disagree with me.

She actually says "i get really frustrating when people put an opinion that is fundamentally incorrect". Utter tosh.

She also said the discussion drove extra traffic to her sites so if anything it has benefited her commercially. Anyway, it’s pretty unpleasant all round and I don’t think anyone on here would want to make someone cry and I’m pretty sure she wouldn’t to do the same to anyone on here either. So I’m sorry if any of the views I expressed caused any upset because that really wasn’t my intention but I think a break from the thread will do me good as well so I’ll go back to my “how to break up with your phone” recovery plan for a bit I think!

Oh Lazarus - you are so right about Chloe! There is nothing about her I should relate to. Wrong age, wrong looks, wrong everything but....... she is so completely joyful and just such a beguiling person. I don't know if she is just a very carefully crafted construct but, if so, she has me fooled! I just see a genuine, gentle (and stunningly beautiful) woman. We could never be friends in real life - she is way too fluffy for this cynical creature but she is a little bit of joy........