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botemp · 23/04/2017 14:25

Thread 1 Thread 2 Thread 3 Thread 4 Thread 5 Thread 6

I am very slowly working on consolidating the gathered information from previous threads into easier to read formats but it’s slow going. In order to make use of the below form and join in I would suggest reading thread 1 and at the very least the following info sheets (provided they apply to you):

Basics of an Actives Routine

Where to Start

Anti-Ageing Info sheet

Adult Acne Info Sheet

For those who are taking a peek and wondering what this all about, we mostly discuss a bit of advanced skincare here with a perspective of seeking out the right ingredients (rather than the latest new shiny product and all its empty promises) for our particular skin needs. Distinguishing the acid toners from the actives whilst avoiding the truly unimpressive and harmful ingredients with a hope to achieve a bit of anti-ageing, alleviate irritation and sensitivities with some idle chat in between. Deviations on this thread are mostly my fault. Grin

If you're in need of some advice coming to grips with your skincare routine please don't hesitate to ask, we don't bite, only occasionally sting with a bit of Biologique Recherche P50 now and then Wink. Just make sure to state clearly what your concerns and needs are in as much detail as possible, skincare is highly individual and a random recommendation for a 'good' product will be completely different from one person to the next.

Make sure you've read the earlier threads (or at the very least the first one and the linked docs) so we're not being asked to answer previously raised questions. It takes a lot of time and effort to answer these queries and often the answers can be found in previous threads, but if you still have questions relating specifically to you, use the following form to make life easier on us . Please note, the form is not here to generate a routine for you, sometimes it involves product recommendations but mostly it's there so we can answer a specific question without having to go back and forth endlessly. Also, not everyone will have answers and sometimes we can't answer you at all. We're only a bunch of amateurs that can respond by suggesting what we would do in your place, for any severe conditions please seek out professional help.

Skin type:

Approx age (range):

Primary skin concern:

Routine :

AM :

PM :

Makeup : eg. no/light coverage/medium coverage/heavy coverage

Occasional treatments:

Things I've tried in the past with disastrous results:

Things that are really working well for me now:

Any dietary/health concerns/pregnant:

What I'm willing to spend on a single skincare item: eg. >£10, £10-20, £20-50, £50-100, no limits.

I specifically [want help with/am looking for a product to/am curious about trying]:


Ahem, and finally a little note on spending. I'm well aware these threads cause many to reach for their wallets and spend with wild abandon. There can sometimes be a bit of a frenzy surrounding the excitement around a newly discovered product or on the back of great improvements when someone reports back. This is all great, it doesn't however, mean everything that's a sudden miracle for one will be it for you. Usually, it's a light bulb moment for connecting the right skincare ingredient with an individual experiencing a specific problem. Take your time to mull over decisions and question whether it's right for you too. Skincare is highly individual, it's a slow game that should cost mostly in patience, input, education, and perseverance. Please don't make it cost you financially needlessly.

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botemp · 30/04/2017 11:11

Oh, Olli, that's so tough on all of you Flowers.

Will do a proper catch up later, just the Sunday Supplement for now:

Ratzilla's Top 5 SPF50+ PA++++ Japanese Sunscreens for 2017 I'm highly intrigued by the Kpop Idol legs in a bottle and the alcohol and fragrance free Skin Aqua one.

I've mentioned before that cheap 'green' products are always highly suspicious to me when it comes to beauty products. Korres, Ren, Rituals, etc. are known muddlers of the concept of 'organic' beauty which is pretty much unregulated. The Soil's Association Campaign for Clarity on it has spawned several articles like this one from the Guardian.

I'm not wholly convinced by this article from ElleUK The New Art of Ageing - The end of 'Anti-Ageing' as you know it. The premise being we (millennials without any anti-ageing concerns yet) are over the negativity surrounding ageing, only living in the moment, disappointed with the lack of instant results, whilst being more educated about retinol, antioxidants, peptides, etc., the absolute importance of daily sunscreens, etc.

IME people are more confused than ever, let's face it, one pricey cream is a lot easier to understand than a comprehensive actives routine. The article completely leaves out the ease of access and lack of stigma (especially in the under 35s) around fillers and botox vs. traditional plastic surgery. Honestly, I'd love for us all to be moving away from the anti-ageing narrative and the dismissal of anyone with a bit of age to them solely on that basis but I'm not buying that it's suddenly gone just because the market appetite is down for it in terms of OTC cosmetics. Yes, people certainly aren't buying the £300 creams as much as they once did but they're certainly spending it elsewhere and probably a lot more of it in aesthetic clinics. Also feel free to ignore the nice little seg at the end of the article about the new Chanel blue serum Hmm.

Incoming from Japan through Dr. Perricone (the interest is peaked, the wallet, less so) Is hydrogen the new holy grail of anti-ageing?

Videos:

- reminded me I need a new hat for summer. - (already posted this earlier in the week).
OP posts:
mintmagnummm · 30/04/2017 11:18

Feeling unhappy with my skin at mo and my hair & scalp!

olderthanyouthink · 30/04/2017 11:24

Not sure how many of you have seen this but apparently long names are bad for you

Dulcimena · 30/04/2017 11:33

otyt thanks for linking that. I wish the poster looking for "chemical free products" all the luck in the world Grin

Dulcimena · 30/04/2017 11:42

Olli that balm sunblock looks interesting, what's the brand?

Ollivander84 · 30/04/2017 13:02

It's by A'Pieu

JDSTER · 30/04/2017 13:45

Oh lord - that link from otyt ShockConfusedHmm

Dulcimena · 30/04/2017 15:46

Doing the form again; it would be great to get everyone's thoughts/suggestions.

Skin type: Currently normal (no longer dehydrated, yay!), sensitive, reactive - to specific things, most prevalent is silicones. Can get cloggy around totm.

Approx age (range): 40

Primary skin concern: Pigmentation and general tone. My face is "dropping".

Routine :
am
Ren non-foaming gel wash
TO Vit C
TO Buffet or Benton Snail Bee Essence
Korres SPF30 or Ultrasun Family SPF30

pm
Bioderma micellar water
Balance Me non foaming face wash
Then it varies depending how skin is feeling, so some of:
Benton Fermentation Essence
TO Buffet
BR P50W (maybe 1-2 p/wk)
TO Retinoid 2% (rarely)
Hada Labo Gokugyun Premium HA lotion
Benton Snail Bee Essence
Neals Yard Rose Facial Oil (rarely atm)
NY Frankincense Nourishing (ditto)
Benton Snail Bee Steam Cream (ditto)
and possibly others I have forgotten...

Makeup : eg. no/light coverage/medium coverage/heavy coverage
Concealer and blush only

Occasional treatments:
I have a variety of products, some used once or twice, some not at all Blush

Things I've tried in the past with disastrous results:
Retin-A on face; anything with a high % of silicone/s, but anything with cyclomethicone, cyclopentasiloxane and a handful of others is guaranteed to cause problems.

TO Nia Zinc and TO BHA were too drying/astringent for me. BHA generally I have to be careful with.

Balm cleansers have clogged, oil cleansers are too drying.

Things that are really working well for me now:
Multiple light layers of hydration

Any dietary/health concerns/pregnant:
Perimenopausal

What I'm willing to spend on a single skincare item: eg. >£10, £10-20, £20-50, £50-100, no limits.
It depends. Obviously I'd prefer cheap Grin

I specifically [want help with/am looking for a product to/am curious about trying]:

  1. Hyperpigmentation. I have patches on upper lip (think a 'tache) and large patches on my neck/back. The neck/back are a long term skin condition and years ago I was prescribed a daily tretinoin hydroquinine preparation by an NHS consultant derm. I didn't keep up with it, patches are still there. I'd like to shift the neck and upper lip patches, not worried about the back ones. I do use a chemical/physical SPF50 on my neck every single day.
Is TO Alpha Arbutin worth trying? In conjunction with TO Retinol 1% perhaps?
  1. General firmness/tone. I was looking at TO Matrixyl, but is it worth it if I'm using Buffet anyway? Any other ideas? Facial exercises?? Trying not to be lured by the promise of injectables.
  2. Visible pores, on the skin at the side of my nose. No blackheads but it would be nice if the pores were smoothed out and didn't look lumpy.

Any ideas most welcome. Thank you.

mintmagnummm · 30/04/2017 18:47

Has anyone used buffet & hylamide subq? If so which do u prefer and why?? Thank u Smile

JDSTER · 30/04/2017 19:05

Just a comment Dulci why do you rarely use retinol/retinoid?
Facial exercises are meant to be good for facial 'dropping' because I'm pretty sure there's nothing topical that's going to help unfortunately. I do find a good facial with lots of massage helps. I once had a facial with Anastasia achillios in London. She does some amazing massage stuff to de puff your face and my skin looked amazing- it was about 10 years ago mind you Grin
I keep meaning to start doing facial exercises. There's stuff on YouTube but I haven't looked into it yet.

botemp · 30/04/2017 19:25

nickpic, I'm sorry to read you're having such a hard time. I do worry a bit, as I've been where you are, a mum with cancer who died not too long after diagnosis during an already turbulent time in my life. Grief is tough and it's easy to go back and forth between not looking after yourself when you feel others deserve your attention more and magnifying everything and making your outer appearance important to sort of deflect the fact that you're barely holding it together inside and one wrong question or comment can painfully bring it to a head. In a roundabout way, I'm asking if it's possible there's a psychological aspect to how you perceive your skin issues currently and how it's affecting you? Do you have support in RL?

I'm not so good with the makeup, Olli will know better. Wrt skincare we can all contribute but it's going to take a bit of time and it would be helpful to know more, so using the form in the OP makes that easier on us to give specific guidance and avoid you falling prey to false promises by the cosmetics industry. Dehydrated isn't a skin type, it's a condition and if your issues are pores/blackheads + dehydration you need to tackle both to see results with either. I also have to agree with Victoria and JDSTER that a manual exfoliating cleansing brush like a Clarisonic or similar versions like the Olay rarely do any good and are more likely to exasperate your skin issues long term.

Lego, I wouldn't bump up P50W to daily use. Unless someone has serious turnover issues chemical exfoliants shouldn't really be used more than 2-3x a week. If you feel you'd like more from it, then consider trading up to the full P50 or the PIGM/V version at some point. What else did you get in from TO and are already using? Nia could go in the morning if you're not using Vit C.

I think we should all agree that Lego has exclusive rights to the username BaggyPagansBottom or was it bottoms? from now on Grin

Olli have you thought about taking a sheetmask with you to the hospital? That sunblock is intriguing, I'm wondering how thick it is and if you'd get a decent amount on without it feeling heavy.

ilovetocook, you're welcome, I'm glad it's working out for you Smile

I've never used it myself, Enid, but I know a few people who swear by Syoss (think it was recently launched in the UK at Tesco's), specifically the olaplex sounding shampoo and conditioner. They're giant bottles and dirt cheap and a daughter brand of Schwarzkopf but basically salon quality stuff not dissimilar to the Schwarzkopf professional line supposedly. They might have a clarifying shampoo in the lineup too? Not sure the conditioners would meet your requirements mint, think they might be siliconey.

userallusedup, I think there were two people who asked about glamglow in the 50 shades technique. I did see a video on youtube the other day where someone did actually use the glamglow and she has sensitive acne prone skin so I'm guessing it works.

otyt, the 7 skin method doesn't take long at all. Basically skin means toner in Korean and you basically pack in 7 layers of a hydrating toner one after the other while patting somewhat vigorously. Video . Takes a few minutes but you'd do it once and then as needed. I did it a while back after being ill and only really doing a minimal routine. I know there are some who do it daily but they're the ones who previously used two sheetmasks a day Hmm. I think it could be done with the Superdrug Simply Pure Serum but can't say for sure having used a different product myself. I did end up spraying a bit of LRP Water in between the later layers as it was becoming more difficult to absorb. Basically it's a turbocharged way of addressing severe dehydration and plumping up the skin. I have also been seeing people on the AB reddit doing a 3 skin method as a modified way to incorporate it into a more regular routine. Small warning, if you already have full lips try to avoid the lip area as that can plump up too.

JDSTER, yes the ones you use are oil based cleansers and technically they do function the same but there's a lot of added ingredients in there whilst a straight oil cleanser has a higher % of oil in their ingredients. IME balms often need a bit of work to get off completely and for dry/normal skin a bit of oily residue isn't terrible but for clog-prone skin that isn't always ideal. Oil cleansers I like are as follows:

-The best I've ever tried was the Ultim8 Sublime from Shu Uemura, they're the pioneers of oil cleansers and there is a noticeable quality difference but it's not enough for me to justify the price leap up as well as the inclusion of fragrance (miraculously not irritating to me but still don't like the smell).

-DHC is a good allrounder and has shown good results in small studies in clearing out pores in acne/oily skinned folks. It's a tad strippy so for combo-oily much less of an issue than normal/dry. Should be easy to source a small version of it, not everyone does well with it (the olive oil base may have something to do with it)

-Muji Sensitive Skin Cleansing Oil is my staple, it's relatively affordable but it has to come from Japan (and gets cheaper when you buy in bulk). It's somewhat thicker so less likely to make a mess and very gentle. Something of a DHC lite, without the very strippy feeling at the end. Also olive oil based but mixed with a few esters (the Clinique TTDO liquid is all esters IIRC).

-Edenens Milky Cleansing Oil from EPP is an affordable alternative I found recently and I'm liking it a lot. I'm still slightly more partial to the Muji but if I'd never known about that one I'd be very happy with this.

-The Fancl Mild Cleansing Oil is also well liked but I've never tried it.

A lot of the AB oil cleansers (and the majority of the other Shu Uemura cleansers lineup) are Mineral Oil based, so I've never tried those as my skin just doesn't get on with it.

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Ollivander84 · 30/04/2017 19:44

Ooh sheet mask is a fab plan! I will add one to my bag
The sun balm stuff - I've played around on my hand with it. It's not white or heavy at all, it's like a light glowy balm texture. I'll try it under makeup when I actually put some on Blush

Ollivander84 · 30/04/2017 19:48

Sun balm swatched and then dabbed on hand. Once I pat the cushion over to blend it's invisible apart from a slightly dewy look

Fantastic Skincare -  we're snail here 🐌
Fantastic Skincare -  we're snail here 🐌
Dulcimena · 30/04/2017 20:01

Thanks very much, JD and bo, both v helpful.

JD, I rarely use it honestly because I forget - although I think it did contribute to clogging somewhat. I also wasn't convinced it was doing anything when I was using it regularly. I have the 2%, so the mild version. I rechecked the ingredients for the 1% retinol and it has a very-bad-for-me silicone so I shan't give that one a go. Will look up your facialist, great to have a rec. I was reading about a new light HA filler that promised overall plumping and smoothing and sounded amazing...but I still feel a bit too young for injectables.

Just to add that of the cleansing oils Bo listed, I've tried Shu, DHC and Fancl - the latter was by far my favourite but I have tending to dry skin so you may hate it... Grin

Bo That's interesting about arbutin. The Gothamista video linked earlier rec-ed it but I'm very pale caucasian so yes, makes sense that it's not entirely transferable. I'll do some research. I have used mandelic peels in the past and was quite fond of them so I'll check out those again. Iirc, MUAC don't ship to the UK (at least at reasonable cost) but times may have changed. I will also look up Facegyms, Dr Wu and reorder Buffet. Thank you, I like having things to investigate Smile

olderthanyouthink · 30/04/2017 20:08

bo I'll look into it, thanks for the lip warning, I do have quite full ones
some stranger thought it appropriate to tell me I have dick sucking lips once Envy

JDSTER · 30/04/2017 20:54

Thanks for replies Bo and Dulci I'll take a look at oils. I saw that facegym thing in a Sunday times Style article - v expensive as was my facial back in the day! I found this facial lifting masssage by Anastasia (Nadine is a bit annoying but it's short) m.youtube.com/watch?v=zqKlskCIxW8

Pupsiecola · 30/04/2017 21:05

I'm really liking my new niacinamide. And the Corsx serum recommended by bo arrived today. I love the smell; very subtle but very fresh. I've got some on now, after a mask (been very lazy on that front lately). Hoping my skin likes it :-)

Touch wood, but my barrier function has definitely improved over the last six months.

I posted a while back about my reddish neck. I reckon some of it is down to hairdryer use too. (And obviously not good for the face either). My hair is shoulder length and it takes me a while to dry it, with a big round brush. Not much I can do about it though - I look like a scarecrow if I leave it to dry naturally.

Pupsiecola · 30/04/2017 21:06

Bo, what else is good for the Corsx range?

RubyGoat · 01/05/2017 00:19

Bo - full list of what I'm currently using, waiting to start using etc.

  • Una Brennan vitamin C cleansing oil (I'm planning to switch to the Edenens milky cleansing oil as I sometimes find the vit C leaves my skin a bit tender. No idea why. I only use cleansing oil if I'm removing makeup.
  • LRP Toleriane cleanser, with a microfibre cloth, as second or sole cleanse depending on am/pm.
  • Lancome Gel Eclat foaming face wash, same as LRP cleanser; I switch between the two, depends how my face feels. I'm looking to replace this when it eventually runs out. This stuff lasts forever...
  • Pure rose water, as a toner.
  • COSRX BHA on my T-zone / BR P50W on alternate nights. No issues from either so far. Definite improvement from both, albeit mild so far.
  • Vichy aqualia serum. Switching to Buffet when it runs out.
  • TO Niacinamide - I've just started this a couple of days ago. Every night?
  • SVR Sensifine moisturiser (I'm replacing this when it runs out, with Avene light hydrating cream for combination skin)
  • Biore SPF

I also have the TO 2% retinoid, & the Magnesium Ascorbyl Phosphate. Not introduced either yet.
I basically do my entire routine on my whole face, neck, chest & shoulders. I figured that if I wanted to improve the skin on those areas, the way my face has improved, I needed to treat it the same. It's working.

BaggyPagansBottom · 01/05/2017 00:45

Meant to say also, thanks so much for the help in getting my skin cleared up. It's not perfect but it is so, so much better than it was 6 months ago. My bacne is improving as well - I'm going to start a bit if a test shortly to see if it's the combination of the 2 products I'm using for that, or just the first one I started with.

How do you like my new name? If I have to live with that memory (only MIL, thank goodness, I'd probably need therapy if it had been FIL too) I think it's only fair I share it with all of you... Grin Credit goes to Bo who suggested it... I'll hide now. Grin

Ollivander84 · 01/05/2017 00:53

I've slathered Mizon nail essence on which came in my beauty box so I'll see if that helps my ragged nails Blush
Collagen eye cream on (I never use eye cream but my concealer looks like scales so...)
Added to hospital bag - hand cream, honey sheet mask, organic lip balm. And tampons. Because my stupid stupid period is due the day that I have to have surgery just above my bum. Really?!? Angry

EnidButton · 01/05/2017 00:59

Grin I came up with a nickname for someone! So proud. Grin

Typical Olli. I was thinking, do you need or want to take some nice snacks in with you? For after the op?

If it helps you feel better I currently have an angry vagina. Worst bout of thrush I've had on years. It looks like this ----> Angry

Tmi but thought I'd share.

EnidButton · 01/05/2017 01:00

Ahem.

Also I'm really liking the Hand Chemistry hand cream. It is really helping my cuticles.

Ollivander84 · 01/05/2017 01:05

Ah I know that feeling!
Oh yes. I demanded tea within ooh a millisecond of coming round last time. The staff were lovely and pointed out I was still in the theatres and if I could hang on they would get me two cups of tea AND toast. Which pacified me Blush
I was going to pack a mini bottle of cordial and some snacks and throat sweets (sore throat last time)

SargeantAngua · 01/05/2017 06:29

Hi, would it be possible to have a bit of advice on my skin please?

Skin type: oily, mildly spotty, can be sensitive

Approx age (range): 33

*Primary skin concern:( little comedone whitehead things and redness and blocked pores on cheeks, post spot hyperpigmentation. One nasty inflamed spot at a time - used to be on chin, now usually on cheeks or near mouth.

Routine :

AM : garnier pure active 3 in 1 wash (sometimes as quick mask while shower warms up)
Garnier pure active micellar cleansing water
Boots tea tree & with hazel night treatment gel
Clean &clear advantage spot control on specific spot if needed

PM : as AM but biore charcoal wash instead of garnier 3 in 1 (because it's easier to wash off at the sink)

Makeup : none

Occasional treatments: none

Things I've tried in the past with disastrous results: la roche posey - just no better than what I use now and much more expensive
Simple micellar water - more spots (inflamed on cheeks
Boots tea tree witch hazel berry day treatment - more spots (inflamed on cheeks)

Things that are really working well for me now: my current regime after trial and error keeps me at one inflamed spot at a time, sometimes a week or 2 without any but doesnt affect the little spots on my cheeks and I get bad hyperpigmentation

Any dietary/health concerns/pregnant: I have ME so long complicated regimes not possible. I think the spots on my cheeks might not be helped by 12 hours a night in bed, usually sleeping with side of face on arm
I think my big spots are hormonal - had great skin on the pill but not allowed now due to migraines. Mirena now due to v heavy periods causes the inflamed spots I think - took a long time to limit them as much as I have
I squeeze spots Blush

What I'm willing to spend on a single skincare item: eg. >£10 if possible, maybe up to £15 if necessary

I specifically [want help with/am looking for a product to/am curious about trying] the bumpy whitehead comedones and redness on my cheeks and the hyperpigmentation, while preferably not messing up what's working at the moment - if it gets rid of the last few inflamed spots too then great
Not after changing my whole regime if that's possible - complexity and expense
I've been reading about glycolic acid and AHA/BAH but don't know where to start - nip + fab extreme pads look interesting but apart from that I'm pretty baffled. My illness makes it hard for me to read much and I get very easily tired and confused.

I may be asking for the moon on a stick but hoped you might have some ideas please. Sorry if I'm asking for too much help. I can live with my skin as it is but it eould be lovely to completely clear it. Many thanks.