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I used to like M&S but I'm not surprised they are struggling to sell womens clothes, WARNING MAY BE UPSETTING

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Behooven · 08/01/2016 12:22

Says it all...

I used to like M&S but I'm not surprised they are struggling to sell womens clothes, WARNING MAY BE UPSETTING
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Samantha28 · 09/01/2016 00:14

Marks and Spencer's women's wear buyers

I used to like M&S but I'm not surprised they are struggling to sell womens clothes, WARNING MAY BE UPSETTING
Behooven · 09/01/2016 00:28

Grin samantha

and totally agree with this
M&S are never going to to be edgy and they need to stop trying to be. If hipsters want leather dungarees/shirt dress, they will not buy them from M&S. They will buy them from some uncomfortable pop-up shop in Hackney run by a bearded Swedish person in fishing trousers

Really hope M&S come off their high horse and read this thread. Customers are here waiting for them..

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HanSolo · 09/01/2016 00:28

ourvye- but look how low the top is cut- that would be halfway down my boobs! Don't you get a cold decolletage at all?

HanSolo · 09/01/2016 00:31

Actually, I think these people were in charge...

I used to like M&S but I'm not surprised they are struggling to sell womens clothes, WARNING MAY BE UPSETTING
georgetteheyersbonnet · 09/01/2016 01:31

I'm in my mid/late-30s, and weirdly I used to shop in M&S a fair bit in the 90s and early 2000s when I was a teenager and in my early twenties - they still did some basics and workwear which were pretty wearable even if you were young. And decent shoes. I had some plain skirts and blouses, my first suit, basic cardigans, I bought all of my shoes there, all of my underwear. Now? The last time I bought clothes from them was in about 2005 when you could still get cheap round-neck cardigans that washed decently.

It's not that I am massively better off now (at least not after DC Grin) but I genuinely cannot find any decent basics in there now. I discovered I was buying the wrong underwear sizes (I'm a small back and large cup size), so moved to Miss Mandalay, Mimi Holliday and similar lingerie companies which cater for that sizing. That market expanded massively around 2010, but M&S didn't bother to keep up and I now can't find sizes that work for me there.

For basics I now stick to Gap, which can be hit and miss some seasons and goodness knows I would like their designers to go back to basics a bit more too, but they can still be relied on to stock basic black cardies and jumpers, basic t-shirts, comfy modal nightwear and minimalist leather bags. More upmarket things, I go to Jigsaw or similar. Just can't find any decent basics in M&S. Don't even get my shoes there any more as I just don't bother to go in.

The only thing I do buy there for myself now is the magicwear opaque tights. I get an online order of 10 of them every couple of years when the last ones wear out.

The baby range is actually great - fab plain and attractive good quality cotton sleep suits that fit and wash perfectly. Good sizing for babies. Nice cotton basics. BUT - the girls' ranges above 24 months? DREADFUL. Some clothes seem designed to make your pre-schooler look like a mini-hooker - sequin hot pants, black tops with lipstick prints on the front, yuck. Others which look vaguely decent (Boden copies of corduroy dresses etc.) sell out immediately and never come back into stock despite clearly being the only things that are actually selling. It's not hard to design kids clothes that sell. Your target market for kids clothes do not shop at Asda, so just copy Boden, JoJo and John Lewis and price it lower!

In fact, all M&S need to do is, as everyone on the thread has said, is dramatically reduce their range overall, produce a smaller range of good-quality basics in natural fibres, and look to Boden, Joules, Seasalt, Gap and Muji for inspiration.

Nice plain merino, cashmere and cotton cardies sized well, so that you don't swim in them, in a range of neutral tones and jewel colours! Good quality jersey wrap dresses in understated prints! Basic lined black skirts for the office! Plain elegant modal camisoles and tops. White t-shirts. Plain black and coloured coats that actually fit decently. Girls' clothes in block colours and good fabrics that aren't covered with Peppa Pig. Come on, M&S; it isn't hard! I can't believe I wore your clothes to work when I was 21 and a size 8; but now at 37 can't find a single thing that isn't far too frumpy to wear.

georgetteheyersbonnet · 09/01/2016 01:42

I mean, does anyone think it's a good thing for a young pre-teen girl to wear a pair of diamante-studded jeans which make a weird feature of the crotch like these? What were the designers thinking? (no wonder they are in the sale):

www.marksandspencer.com/cotton-rich-diamant-jeans-5-14-years-/p/p22414301

MizK · 09/01/2016 01:45

Oh jesus, I'm already struggling to sleep, now my mind is tortured by these graphic and disturbing images.

Seriously, some of these clothes are wretched.

georgetteheyersbonnet · 09/01/2016 01:47

And even the child model in the photo of this item is like "WTF":

www.marksandspencer.com/faux-fur-cardigan-5-14-years-/p/p22411827

JapanNextYear · 09/01/2016 04:25

The colours hurt my eyes when I walk through, lurid or acid or beige and black. Everything else is pastel, all the jumpers seemed to be pastel this year. As a poster sis, where's the Jewell colours or lovely colours to Sui autumns.

It's garis and unnecessary ribbons or just dull and oddly cut. I did buy stuff last year, but it was plain basics.

SeasonalVag · 09/01/2016 07:22

In their defence, their kids coats and shoes are great.

abbieanders · 09/01/2016 07:31

Can I just mention one thing you can buy there, in my experience? Infant vests. They wash and wear brilliantly and seem to have new ones in a peachy pink every season, a colour particularly flattering to my daughter's skin tone. I buy at least two packs per age.

But the other stuff for babies I just hate. Who wants to put jade velvet bloomers on a weaning baby? Or black dresses? Or that dull purplish shade they had on almost everything last season? I want pretty, flattering soft cotton basics for baby in pieces that you can mix and match easily.

I'd like that for me, too.

I'll buy big anywhere that can provide that. One thing I find really frustrating about M&S women's clothing is that if you find something ok, it's really hard to find something that matches properly. Where you find an exact colour match, it's a non complementary fabric or style. I'd love to find basic well cut trousers in a good material with tops that are designed for the style and leg length and where the same colour occurs in both (say, black, for instance), it'd be great if they were the same shades of black.

TheMightyMing · 09/01/2016 07:44

So me and georgetteheyer basically saying the same thing, they were good in the 90's early 2000, and have gone crap since then. are you listening M and S? Good quality basics in a range if colours and sizes, that's what you need to do. Natural fibres as well please. We will pay for these if you get it right!

SeasonalVag · 09/01/2016 07:48

Yesterday I rummaged about in the sale, most of it was rubbish, but I'm the end I bought a green cashmere polo and a fab pair of red suede ankle boots....total spend....59

PurpleCrazyHorse · 09/01/2016 07:48

Well, Next Petite is my go to jeans stockist but when they only had 3 pairs, all hideous and none in a size 14, I traipsed next door to M&S. Per Una trousers were awful, lots to chose from, lots of sizes on the shelf but all dodgy 'fashion' styles. I was impressed with their jeans selection and bought two pairs plus some comfy yoga pants. However I agree they should ditch the fashion and concentrate on good quality, long lasting basics in realistic sizing.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 09/01/2016 07:53

Personally I love those bin bag trousers someone posted Grin that is the look for me

Decorhate · 09/01/2016 07:59

Very timely thread as I have a gift voucher burning a hole in my pocket!

Agree with all that has been said about preferring all coats in one place, etc. It's one of the reasons I order online as it's impossible to find anything inn the right size.

They really seem uninterested in what the public think. I was on a customer forum a few years ago to discuss what women in their forties thought of the Limited range. They didn't seem to like me saying that the skirts were too short...

I have to say that I do have some great bits from there. This top
www.marksandspencer.com/double-layer-vest-top/p/p22421094

which I love and have worn loads. Wore it last night with a sparkly necklace (also M&S) & got loads of compliments. My sling back shoes were also from M&S around 12 years ago & classic & comfy. My current work coat is also M&S & gets loads of compliments.

But I just know that when I turn up to a store, clutching my gift voucher, I will leave empty handed.

NotNowBono · 09/01/2016 08:17

There is a Made in Britain range - Best of British - but like so much of M&S's offerings, while the idea is what customers have been asking for (quality British fabrics, traditional manufacturers, classic 'pieces' supposed to last forever in your wardrobe) the website really doesn't sell them. Everything's styled with clumpy flat brogues, the skirts are that weird dowdy midi length, and the models are all pulling Tilda Swinton faces. There's always a pair of 'luxe jogging bottoms', for some reason. I have never EVER seen anyone in real life wearing trackie bottoms with high heels and a blazer - but presumably the fashion editors love it. When you try the clothes on, they're not too bad - I bought a classic tweedy jacket for £78, down from £175, and was tempted by a proper Scottish wool long cardigan - but it's hidden on the site, and in very few stores. And it's expensive. (But I guess that's what those clothes cost so...)

Things i've got from M&S recently that I've loved
the Lucy Lace balcony bra - brilliant for £14
the Autograph lipstick in Red - but the Autograph make up stand has been 75% picked through for the last 4 months and looks terrible, since it's never refilled. WHY?! Have they run out of stock? It looks so sloppy.
fleece Autograph dressing gown - stylish, warm, in the sale for £20
Twiggy suede stilettos in bright orange

But I'm finding it hard to forgive the slide in hosiery reliability. It's my index of trust/quality, with M&S. And the price of their Frankincense & Myrrh Xmas candles have increased by 50% in 2 years while the size has reduced, presumably so the price fits with their 3 for 2 promotions. M&S shoppers are the type to notice things like that.

Effendi · 09/01/2016 08:24

Oh my good god, those trews! I need eye bleach.
Many moons ago I worked in a factory that made trousers and skirts for M&S. I did the hems! The QC was super strict. I suppose its all made abroad now.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 09/01/2016 08:29

This thread is hilarious

AvengingGerbil · 09/01/2016 08:50

I wish someone would point me to all these M&S stores with racks of size 20+ clothes. I can never find any at all, even hideous ones. They used to have a dedicated (pariah) section, where the large could go, buy stuff and then go home. This was great - no time wasted looking at all the nice things we are not allowed to have. Then they merged them in with everything else, but had colour-coded tags on the hangers, so you could spot which racks were worth looking at. Then they got rid of the tags, so you had to look at everything. The last time I tried to shop in a store, I was told they didn't keep large sizes in stock and to order on line. Which I don't do, because I have no idea if the clothes will fit. Another customer base lost.

Twowrongsdontmakearight · 09/01/2016 09:15

Getting increasingly panicked now! I agree with so much that everyone has said re bloody ruffles/sparkles/ghastly colours but I totally depend on M&S for a few staple items and God knows where I'd get them if M&S went bust!

I wear Per Una Roma cut jeans. They were the only place that 10 years ago still had jeans on the waist when everywhere else sheep-like only stocked 'in' below waist ones (ouch - uncomfy!). They also have more than just the trendy shape so I could still buy straight leg when bootcut were fashionable (ugh) and still can now everywhere only sells skinnies (look like a stuffed sausage in them!). I love that they sell T shirts with longer length sleeves not just cap ones so they can hide my fat arms! And where oh where would I be able to buy proper T shirt bras that aren't underwired with big knickers??

Where else would I shop for these things? So please M&S get your act together and read this thread. You have loyal customers desperate to buy from you!

Lurkedforever1 · 09/01/2016 09:16

avenging I've noticed size availability is usually range dependent. All the ones I go in seem to carry vast amounts of size 18+ in items such as skinny jeans, short (for m&s) skirts/ shorts, Lycra- ish clinging type tops, patterns that add 6 stone etc. Basically styles that the majority of plus size people don't tend to opt for. ( Nothing wrong if they want to btw, but most of my bigger friends and aquaintances tend to avoid anything that creates the illusion they are larger than they are)

Woodhill · 09/01/2016 09:22

I also bought shape wear knickers in 2015 and at the back the waistband is fraying whereas the ones I got in 2010 are still fine

shinynewusername · 09/01/2016 09:38

It's interesting that everyone is driven mad by not having all of one item, e.g. trousers, in one place (I agree btw), because lots of other good stores don't do this either - John Lewis or Jigsaw. In fact, stores that do, like GAP, are the exception.

I think the reason it gives us the rage in M&S is that their clothing is such a a chaotic jumble sale and there is never anyone to ask. You get the cat's bum mouth if you ask a member of staff where something is and they would certainly never take you to it or offer to do a stock check. In the fitting rooms, they refuse point-blank to get you a different size. I don't blame the individual members of staff - it happens everywhere, so it has to be store policy.

What M&S totally and utterly fail to get is that clothes shopping should be a bit of a treat. Even when you're buying socks, you don't want it to be a frustrating search across a chaotic wasteland lit like an operating theatre. What is so weird is that they are really good at making buying food & beauty enjoyable. Even the menswear dept isn't too bad (nothing fits DH but that is because he is shaped like a gorilla). So why can't they get women's wear right?

ppeatfruit · 09/01/2016 10:02

COME ON M & S LISTEN TO US, WE ARE UPSET, WE USED TO LIKE YOUR CLOTHES (STILL DO LIKE SOME OF THEM).

GET RID OF YOUR EDGY DESIGNERS, GO FOR WELL MADE, BASICS AND CLASSICS IN NATURAL , OR MINIMALY MIXED FIBRES, ORDER ENOUGH OF THE POPULAR SIZES AND GET YOUR PLACE BACK AS MARKET LEADERS.