Can s and b exist without judging?

[PittTheYounger]

(It's about Another thread, yeah yeah whatever)

It's about skirts. People do like these skirts and. People don't like these skirts. All at once there was the criticism that this is a horrible thread.

Can you discuss fashion choices without some judging? Or would that lead to posts like 'well if you like it that's nice.' Which are nice but unhelpful if needing advice.

Is it not possible to express an opinion without being a dick? E.g." I don't like xyz", or, if specifically asked for an opinion "No, I font think that would be the best colour of jeans for you".

Is the only option really to say "you look fat/disgusting/vile and no-one should ever wear that particular item of clothing"? The world would be very boring if we all had to like the same things.

but sometimes those balloon argument threads are fun

thinks wistfully of ones about crocs years ago as long as people RETAIN their sense of humour.
I mean if it upsets you that someone disliked crocs, surely you just click hide, as you would if someone slagged off smoked salmon or something

Pmsl at slagging off smoked salmon - I hate the stuff. Anybody want to get sniffy about that?

White shorts for a day in London not a good idea, no.

i would think I LOVE SMOKED SALMON and i dont care about Remus shitty opinions about it, and keep walking

not wade in and defend Senor Smoked Salmons honour

And I would think, I still like her anyway - even if she does have tossy opinions about fish.

so if i put

"people who eat smoked salmon are fishy bastards'

is that ok?

I'm not upset at anyone disliking anyone. The way they choose to express it might make me think they could be a knob, though. Is what I'm saying.

*anyone disliking anyTHING

Why is it that people who don't find it funny don't have a sense of humour?

If I came on and said "people who spend any more than £30 on a single item of clothing are all vacuous morons with more money than sense, follow the herd without developing their own style, and probably have unfulfilling sex lives" I would (quite rightly) be lambasted. Because a lot of people do spend large amounts of money on clothes, as is their inaliable right.

I've been around a long time, I don't post very often on S&B but greatly value the advice given out. There are many, many posters whose opinion I respect, whether positive or negative. I like the camaraderie and closeness of the posters here. As I said, I don't often post because my sense of style, my budget and my general lifestyle don't reply fit in with the majority and I feel like a spare part.

It's PERFECTLY possible for it to exist without stupid bitchy judgemental threads, because on the whole, it does.

Sometimes someone starts a thread with the intention to goad. Hard to believe, but true.

Kant's suggestion is that this might be necessary? To draw from the Stamford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

Kant's idea is that in a judgment of taste, we demand or require agreement from others in a way we do not in our judgments about the niceness of Canary-wine, which is just a question of individual preference. In matters of taste and beauty, we think that others ought to share our judgment. That's why we blame them if they don't. It is because the judgment of taste has such an aspiration to universal validity that it seems “as if [beauty] were a property of things.”

This being MN I suspect a more able Aesthetician will be along in a mo.

Didn't see the thread in question, but generally find S&B a supportive and friendly place. Personally I find the casual way people snipe, uninvited, at other people's parenting, much more of a problem on MN.

Completely off the point, but it goppeth (last page) made me snigger.

We all have our absolutely perfect opinions on S&B. but that's all they are and if you're asking the opinions of random internet folk you need to remember that and not get too fussed.

I was about to post what Remus posted

(gold boots arrived, BTW- they are FAB)

I think for me, S&B would be no fun without the judging. But I feel quite secure in my style choices (which would all be roundly lambasted on here), which I think makes a difference.

I think it would be really dull if everyone was told that they'll look lovely whatever they wear. However, this does not equate to having a look and imposing it on someone- I get the most pleasure from finding the OP something they like, even if I hate it.

I love bit of judging and I'm not bothered when people don't agree with me. Never change, S&B.

I didn't post on that thread because it had all got a bit over-sensitive. S&B is one of the best bits of MN because normally the posters are quite robust and there is no need to walk on eggshells. It is generally recognised that dislike for a type of garment is not directed personally at wearers of that garment. It would be pretty boring and unreadable if we all liked the same stuff and nobody would learn anything about others' perceptions. If you are generally interested in knowing about style then blanking others' perceptions isn't necessarily a good thing.

Smoked salmon is grim

Exactly, it's judging the clothes, not the person. Although, sometimes a photo of the person judging's outfit would be helpful. So, you know, I can determine how much weight to give their opinion

I'm generally posting in my PJs!

Nice to see another smoked salmon judger, Amber.

I crave smoked salmon about once a year and then I remember why I only have it once a year. It's the same with pâté.

Oh no, pate I am all over (phone won't do accents so that basically looks like I like bald heads).

Seriously though, honest opinions are super valuable especially if you have kind friends, but obviously it's nice to attempt not to offend. I tend to like things that, ahem, polarise opinion , but I fully accept a lot of people think I look like a dog's breakfast

Doubt you could look like a dog's breakfast, even if you tried.

Dp is bald. but I have never tasted pate (in either of the two senses below).

I am no less judgemental as a result if this thread, but I do now want pate. Do we think a jar of Princes ham and beef paste would have the same effect?

Thing is, if someone said to me "actually you look pretty fat in that skater skirt, and weirdly like a little girl" I'd probably just shrug it off (and wear it anyway) it wouldn't offend me.

It's just the ridiculous assertion by ONE person that they look awful on everyone. Every body shape, with all the varieties in the world, styled in all the myriad ways there could be, and every single one looks bad. It's laughable!

I know sometimes I can put together a damn good outfit. Other times when I can't be arsed I look like shit on wheels. Some things suit me, others don't. Same for everyone. There is not one person on this planet who, by avoiding unflattering things, looks amazing every day.

Just read that thread. It was fine! I thought it was funny, and silly, not goady. I'm really surprised at some of the upset.

If someone said that to me I'd tell them to fuck off. Poster on that thread was quite the diplomat!